It's official. ALL men are bastards.

[lifeisbetter]

...apart from my dad.

They really are.

For a long time I lhave ooked at their positive sides, but all men will turn out to be bastards in the end.

Sometimes men can be quite nice I suppose - especially the younger ones, who are not yet tarnished by some degree of masogyny and cannot perve over of women twenty years their junior.

What happens to them when they reach 35? They all turn out to be sad little leacherous fools.

It's their fault that the divide between men and women just gets bigger as we all get older. Because they don't mature. Women improve and men just become gross.

I'm finding it very hard to like them at all to be honest.

...apart from my dad.

@ Fimbo...in order to preserve his economic power a man must treat unpaid domestic work as 'womens work' and must also prioritise his career whenever possible.

I agree lifeisbetter

It's nonsense, of course - you can't generalise from the specific to the universal in that way. As has been shown in the thread, for everybody with an anecdote to demonstrate one point of view somebody else has a matching but contradictory anecdote.

It's simply not a case of "men are X" or "women are X". It is only ever a case of "people are X".

exactly.
I've seen plenty of shit behaviour from both of the sexes and seen many women engage in the sort of thing which the OP is criticising as being make traits. Seen women string men along, use them as walking wallets, rip them to shreds over their appearance/ performance. And I know a couple of blokes who've reacted in the same way as the OP to this behaviour, all women are x/y/z and only out for themselves.
And I've seen the same shit behaviour from men, it's not gender specific.

I still believe that men have a worrying and disrespectful tendancy to be very two faced about women.

such as - and not exclusive to - persuing a female, charming her, enjoying her company one minute. Then picking her apart for little more than her sexual credentials as soon as her back is turned the next.

Also - it's not okay to hear someone speaking about their mothers and sisters in a derogiatory way, but it's okay to hear it when it's the bird down the road.

Also - any man who has been on a stag do and been to a lapdancing club, or got a prostitute, who is young enough to be his daughter. And not feeling wierd about that.

Also - going out in big GROUPS to do this sort of thing - like it's a rite of passage for the male species.

Also - men oggling school 14year old girls without any discretion whatsoever.

It suits men to objectify women - and the bravado does make them act like dicks. But to me it seems there is an ENTITLEMENT that makes them think it is okay for them to do it. This is all learned behaviour - not innate behaviour.

I know there are women who are bad too, but more supposedly intelligent men act badly as opposed to intelligent women. I'm not really talking about the dunces of society. I'm talking about the 'should-know-better' clan - the people who have supposedly been brought up in the right way. Put it this way, in my social circle I know LOADS of men who do and not one woman.

"I know there are women who are bad too, but more supposedly intelligent men act badly as opposed to intelligent women."

Any evidence of this?

Okay. Rant over. Thanks for taking the time. Of course not all men can be tarred etc, but over the last few years I've had my eyes opened to the route men seem to go down as they 'mature' out of their youths and into middle-aged-om.

And frankly I'm disappointed.

When I am 'with' a person, I am emotionally attached. If I have dabblings with them I am automatically concerned with their wellbeing. I see the person - I usually feel some sort of destiny, even if it's brief and not really real.

I'm beginning to realise that men only see tits.

lifeisbetter I know quite a lot of men, and indeed am one. Although I appreciate there are men who do the above they are not the norm in my experience. I don't do any of the above, nor do the majority of my male friends.

I think you must exist in a bit of an odd social circle to be so bitter. You have a very skewed view of men and are making some highly offensive generalizations.

beyond your social circle obviously.

"I'm beginning to realise that men only see tits."

And women only see ££
(obviously I don't think this is true just showing how moronic your statements are)

"Also - it's not okay to hear someone speaking about their mothers and sisters in a derogiatory way, but it's okay to hear it when it's the bird down the road."

Surely I'm not the only one who sees the hypocrisy in this statement given the "every man but my daddy is a bastard" OP.

Some people are just cunts, regardless of gender.

"I'm not really talking about the dunces of society. I'm talking about the 'should-know-better' clan - the people who have supposedly been brought up in the right way. Put it this way, in my social circle I know LOADS of men who do and not one woman."

Words fail me, that might be due to my being one of societies dunces

So all men are pigs.

Maybe women are too, but they hide it better. Go observe, scientifically. Come back in 5 years and let us know what you discover!

Of course I intend to be ironic by referencing my dad. I don't actually believe that every man except my dad is a bastard.

I'm sure he's one too.

No seriously, I have loads of male friends, always mixed well with men, preferred male company over female company in a way even. But I have to say that men do not mature very well. There is something really undignified about the way they conduct themselves when they are old enough to know better.

Is it the company I keep? Maybe. But I can assure you that this argument of mine is based on a certain amount of evidence.

Remember an article in Cosmopolitan in 19 hundred and cough which was entitled 'How Women Bring Up Their Sons To Be Bastards', so it's our fault anyway.

My DP is 43 and is utterly gorgeous.

Maybe its your idiot-filter which is defective?

Totally totally agree that all dave's are bastards.

and all Sharons are slappers

OP - your argument is based on a certain amount of "anecdotes".

The plural of anecdotes is not... etc etc

Don't know any Dave's who are not bastards ergo all Dave's must indeed be a bit unpleasant

Both Dave's I know are serial adulterers. But I do know a very lovely David

I did notice when I clicked on it that this thread was about an hour old, had only 16 posts....and yet had made it's way into the little menu of ''most popular/busiest/whatever' advertising kiosk on the RHS of the home page! Why would that be when none of that was true at the time?

no op clealy just the fuckwits you shag,marry or know

some of us have better judgement and dont have acquaintances like you describe

you know maybe you get the men you settle for...

D-Beck says different.
Also David Mitchell seems a good sort.

And your theory is not based on any evidence, it's based on subjectivly selected anecdotes. Much in the same way that people who think the opposite gender or a certain race are bad drivers only tend to notice and highlight incidents of poor driving when it suits their theory, and any other poor driving is met with " I bet that's a man/woman.... oh it's not? well that's a first."

and David Hasslehoff - bomb-proof.