It's official. ALL men are bastards.

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...apart from my dad.

They really are.

For a long time I lhave ooked at their positive sides, but all men will turn out to be bastards in the end.

Sometimes men can be quite nice I suppose - especially the younger ones, who are not yet tarnished by some degree of masogyny and cannot perve over of women twenty years their junior.

What happens to them when they reach 35? They all turn out to be sad little leacherous fools.

It's their fault that the divide between men and women just gets bigger as we all get older. Because they don't mature. Women improve and men just become gross.

I'm finding it very hard to like them at all to be honest.

...apart from my dad.

Sorry this is about more than just being nice to people. I know women can be nasty.

I'm talking about the male attitude that women are women first and humans second.

I'm afraid not many men think of women as being human first.

I'm not respected though, tbf

But you are generalising. Basing your opinion on just a 'few' as opposed to 'millions'.

My Dads a bastard aswell. My husband is alright but he has really fucking annoyed me today, but there you go. My sons are obviously wonderful

Hairy - did you sleep with a nice man and then talk about how crap he was in bed with your mates when you broke up?

Probably not.

Do you verbally disect men's bodies and give your work mates a crude analysis of what's good and what's not?

I expect not.

I have used men, I have had one night stands. I keep it to myself.

Men are not conquests to me. I wouldn't criticise them.

I think men dehumanise women. They may not show it in front of us, but to some degree I reckon they all do it when they are together.

Yes to all those questions. Done some of that shit talking when I'm STILL with them

So what are women if they are not women first?

And how does this 'male' attitude differ from threads on MN about famous bimboys which have posts like 'I wouldn't throw him out of bed'? etc

And I have a friend called Dave who I have known for 25 years and is great (and Welsh to boot - amazing!)

I think you have been having a bad day - what you need is a nice cup of tea dear.

All bravado! You just happen to have the misfortune of working with a few areseholes by the sound of it. Most of the men I know are very tightlipped about their love lives (unfortunately, grrrr). Boring bastards!

Sorry, I was keeping it in until you said "women have a capability to be more discrete and dignified over everything than men".

And I've now coughed tea.

But then, I have had to deal with my mother this week.

Have a great rant, OP. Sounds like you really need it, and I'm sorry about that. But don't start actually believing what you're ranting about. You know it ain't so.

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Yeah, this is, of course, bollocks. Some people are vile arseholes. Most are not

blimey, I am tired today.... "arseholes" and

I must admit to hearing many many women talk about men with small/bent/veiny dicks and describing them as crap/too quick/too slow/too grunty/strange come face etc. Ive done it myself when amongst other female friends. However, my DM thinks this is because women are becoming more like men (she used to worry that i was a 'ladette' ) but I do agree that my circle of female friends would take the mick out of blokes just as much. Sexist banter is annoying and offensive to hear and I've often challenged it ,but lots of women can be similar.

Hairygrotter, you're worring me a bit though (sends a hug)

I packed a guy up once coz his willy was bent like a banana!

Oh no :( Why am I worrying you?

Got to dash as leaving work now.

Hairygrotter - the bit about not being respected just made me feel a bit sad.

I think that plenty of people of both genders have a propensity to behave badly in relationships.
Take away the sexual double standard so that women dont worry about being criticised for promiscuity and recon plenty of girls will turn 'player'

Well, when I'm just with my male friends (all in our 30's) with no women around we tend to talk about the state of the economy, London house prices, great nights out when we were younger and less responsible, and which 80's cartoons were the best ( that often involves trying to sing the theme tunes). I try to steer clear of football 'cos I hate it, but quite like discussing the rugby or the cricket. Have no idea about nor interest in their sex lives with their wives or partners. Perhaps you just know some tossers?

Ach no, I'm respected by friends and others, just not on Mumsnet

Perhaps you just know some tossers?

I think that's nearer the truth. Except for her Dad of course.

did you sleep with a nice man and then talk about how crap he was in bed with your mates when you broke up?

The irony of making such a statement on this particular website is so immense that I'm finding it hard to keep a straight face

I guess I could add a post about how this works both ways, and how my ex very effectively ripped me to shreds, including cheating on me, before I decided to leave.

But on second thought I'm going to dismiss that as a one-off and say that there are countless fantastic women, including my DW and DDs. On the male side, DS shows a lot of promise to be awesome as well. :)

Two of my friends are married to complete and utter morons, but do they see this no! I have had to go and help my friend today by looking after her poorly son because her arse of a "d" h refused to take the day off work and she had a very very important meeting to attend.

Anniegetyourgun- Very funny