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Got married a week ago - we are no longer speaking to each other

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RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 09:21

I don't know if I'm being a bitch, or if DH is being unreasonable, or if things will improve. I'm so miserable right now and have no idea how to deal with everything. Apologies as this is going to be long.

So, got married to DP last weekend abroad, in his home country (don't want to say where as will out myself even more). He is from this country but has been in England for 12 years. I have a 10 year old DD, he has an 8 year old DS. We live in England but are currently staying at his sister's house, with her family, his mother and our children.

We got married here to save on costs - it would have been way more expensive getting married in England than here, and we wanted a low-key, family ceremony. My mother came over for the wedding, his family and a number of friends came from other areas of the country we're in. Most guests were all from his side.

So, I'd never met his sister before, nor stayed at her house. My mother, who is in her 70s and is beginning to suffer from memory problems caused by strokes came out here, not knowing anyone other than us. She paid for our flights as a wedding gift, contributed towards lots of other things and paid for her flights too (well over a thousand pounds).

DH's sister had done all the organisation - we had communicated before coming out by phone and email. I'd said we had very little money and had tried to reiterate that we wanted things to be simple. DH's father had said he's pay for the Reception.

Anyhow, first few days here were hectic - I'd been booked in for hair, nails, facial etc (none of which I'd asked for but person doing it was a friend of DH's sister so I didn't question it). Ceremony itself was lovely. Then things have gone rapidly downhill since.

My mother (who was only here for a week, for the wedding) hates sitting around doing nothing - she likes to be active, going to places, doing things (gardening, doing dishes - anything at all, rather than sitting around). Nonetheless , she fell in with plans, tried to be cheerful. DH's family organised endless socialising - lots of food, drink, BBQs etc. Anyway, on the Tuesday I'm presented with an invoice from DH's sister for a significant amount that was totally unexpected. I'd thought that DH's dad was paying for the Reception - turns out that this covered just a meal and no alcohol, snacks or anything like that. Then I'd been billed for facials, pedicures etc that I'd not wanted.

I asked DH to check about Reception costs - he refused. All week he's been doing whatever his sister or mother have suggested and has ignored anything I've wanted to do. I spoke to my mother about the invoice and I was very upset as the costs were totally over what I'd expected to pay - there had been no warning that we were suddenly going to be thousands of pounds out of pocket. DH's sister then called me into her room, since she saw I was upset, and then proceeded to lecture me, shout at me and say that my attitude was 'sickening' when I said that I thought her father was paying for Reception (which in my understanding would be food and drinks for the day following the ceremony). DH took his sister's side in all of this. My mother and I were in tears for the evening and my mother then flew back the next day as planned. My mother told DH's sister that she would cover the costs when she got back to England. In the meantime, DH wrote a cheque to his sister covering the amount, from money in his bank account that had been set aside to pay off the cost of my engagement ring. So, essentially, I'm now contributing towards the cost of my ring from our UK joint account.

The rest of the week has been fairly fraught. I'm in a house with all of DH's family and only my DD from my side. DH's son is autistic so being around him 24/7 is difficult - at home he's with his mother half the time or at school, so easier to deal with. DH has been telling me to get my mother to pay the money. I asked why it was my mother that should pay and not his father. He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay. I disagree.

To make matters worse, all his family and I and DD are off together for our 'honeymoon' that his mother has organised. This is her gift to us. Frankly, and I may be being a totally ungrateful bitch here, I can think of nothing less 'honeymoon' like than being with his family and our children for four days in the same place, sharing a room with the children.

All I want to do is go back to England but of course have to stick it out. I hate that DH hasn't supported me in any of this and that he's being so horrible to my mother, who's given us so much, is suffering from the effects of mini-strokes, who flew all the way here to celebrate and is being kicked in the teeth for it. DH is out with his family now and I'm at home, avoiding everyone and feeling totally miserable. I can't see the woods for the trees, am utterly fed up, tearful and wondering how the hell things go from here. I have no idea if things can be salvaged. I just feel like a complete failure.

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DutchGirly · 28/08/2011 16:08

I am guessing this is SA.

The incredible self-entitlement sounds very familiar as does the 'showing off' at weddings. I am speaking of experience with my ex and his family who are from this part of the world.

If you discussed the budget with his sister, than the additional expense is her problem. Do not get your mother to reimburse your husband, it is up to him to resolve the situation.

It is tradition in SA for the bride's family to pay.

HerHissyness · 28/08/2011 16:13

No flaming for Fuzzy here from me either!

Badtasteflump · 28/08/2011 16:20

So sorry for the horrible situation you are in Rockin.

In your position I don't think I could just sit back and take it until Thursday. I would get my stuff & DC together and use whatever means I have to get us on a plane back to the UK. Drastic, yes, but if you sit back and take this now you could be setting up a miserable pattern for the rest of your married life.

Suncottage · 28/08/2011 16:22

I remember my parents being a tad upset (I found out later) that FIL refused point blank to pay anything towards our wedding.

He stated "I have paid for my three daughters' weddings and I should not have to pay for my son's wedding".

My Dad paid for the reception in the end and DH and I paid for the rest. My FIL was English but I think times change and weddings are expensive - it should be split but everyone should know from the outset what the cost will be.

That is only fair.

I feel for you Rockin.

M0naLisa · 28/08/2011 16:24

if you have your passport go to the british consulate and they may send you home. Tell them the situation, you could be on a plane by the end of the day.

M0naLisa · 28/08/2011 16:24

british embassy which ever.

cornsilksi · 28/08/2011 16:26

I remember my parents being a tad upset (I found out later) that FIL refused point blank to pay anything towards our wedding.

He stated "I have paid for my three daughters' weddings and I should not have to pay for my son's wedding".

he shouldn't have to pay for any wedding except his own

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 16:26

Hmmmm....interesting re SA. I did my masters there so have a little but if experience. I agree.

Still think it's key to speak to H alone. If he won't talk to you - fine, you can make your decision based on that.

I forgot to say, I understand re feeling very upset about your mum. She sounds as though she is lovely. If you do sort things out with H you have yo make it clear that rude, disrespectful comments re your family are totally not acceptable and will not be tolerated. That is one of the biggest issues to sort but one for back home

M0naLisa · 28/08/2011 16:31

As someone said its Tradition for the brides family to pay? Yeah TRADITION not LAW???

GreatNorksOfFire · 28/08/2011 16:34

I was guessing at SA too. Although if so, I would have thought the engagement ring would have been better bought there!

Fuzzy, no flaming from me either. I think you have summed it up nicely.

Obviously those of you saying that the only people responsible for the cost of a wedding should be the happy couple themselves are absolutely right. However, Rockin only wanted a simple wedding. Her FIL said he was going to cover the cost of the reception (admittedly exactly what this included should have been clarified up front). She did not expect all of those extra costs; she did not ask for all of those extra things.

honeyandsalt · 28/08/2011 16:34

Indeed whatever the outcome cook your poor mum a meal and have a laugh/rant about how awful they are!

Hope things are OK.

Badtasteflump · 28/08/2011 16:35

Not the point, I know, but in my family we (as in me & siblings) paid for our own weddings (along with our partners, obviously). If you didn't want to get into a shed load of debt you had a small do, and if you wanted to have the whole shebang with knobs on you paid for it yourself.

I thought the days of fathers paying for their daugher's 'send off' were long gone (thank god Confused). Surely it's not just me?

Badtasteflump · 28/08/2011 16:38

meant 'daughter's' - doh!

And PS I wasn't inferring that the OP should foot the bill for all this - she clearly didn't want all this expense anyway. But her mum definitely shouldn't have to either.

In this situation I would think the bill is the least of OP's worries ATM. She needs to get the hell away from her H and his toxic family and leave them to argue over who's going to pay for the wedding OP didn't want anyway Sad

GloriaVanderbilt · 28/08/2011 16:46

I think I would take my own child, pack all our things, and leave the country. They can have their honeymoon together, you need to get home and get rid of this person and his family.

I'd just go...if there was any feasible way.

MmeLindor. · 28/08/2011 16:48

Monalisa
The consulate doesn't assist British nationals to go home early when they fall out with their families.

they would have to charter planes from every holiday destination in Spain

HerHissyness · 28/08/2011 16:51

OP, are you sure your tickets can't be modified, not even for a fee?

Lifeissweet · 28/08/2011 16:53

I think the problem here is completely your relationship with your new DH. You obviously felt powerless to put your foot down about having a quiet, inexpensive wedding, you have not communicated about who was paying for what. His family obviously thought they were doing you a favour (maybe, in their minds, the things they arranged for you were all part of what a wedding means to them and they assumed it was the same for you - therefore they are expenses they assumed you foresaw),and it was your DH's responsibility to be the middle man here and sort it out. It was his wedding too, yet he is happy to side with them when they imply that you are ungrateful, even though he knows as well as you do that you can't afford to stump up for what his family has planned on your behalf.

I think all the people saying you are responsible for the costs of your own wedding are missing the point that you never wanted any of this in the first place. There are loud alarm bells ringing because you seemingly had no control over this. If you have so little choice in your own wedding, then how does that bode for a marriage? Bad news.

It is a horrible situation and being so far from home must be horrible. I have every sympathy for you, Robin.

I would say that your first port of call is to give your new DH an opportunity to make this better by being completely up front and frank with him about what has gone wrong from your point of view and see what you can do together to sort it out. If that is not possible then you don't have a relationship, let alone a marriage, so you need to end it.

What a nightmare. I'm so sorry.

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 16:55

Mme Lindor re charter flights Grin!

weeklyshop · 28/08/2011 17:04

I'm with Fuzzy. I think you need to get yourself home and think about the long term because, on the basis of what you've said on here, it looks bad. It can be sorted out though, and won't always be like this.

Why don't you go home and talk to your mum, she's most likely sick with worry that she's left you out there married to a man who's treating you appallingly. The fact that she hasn't said so doesn't mean she's not worried. She's most likely trying to let you make your own decisions.

If you have no money of your own then ask her to pay your airfare if she possibly can. You will be able to pay her the money back. She'll just be glad to have you back. I knw that I would if you were my daughter.

DutchGirly · 28/08/2011 17:11

I know I said it is tradition in SA for the bride's family to pay, however I think this is an utter outdated, sexist tradition. I caused absolute uproad when I said I won't be paying for my daughter's wedding, apparently I was shallow, mean-spirited and greedy. (never mind I am saving up to pay for her further education which I consider far more important)

I would NOT go on the 'honeymoon' (whoever came up with that idea, is totally nuts) and I would be looking for a hotel to stay with DD if I could not get home any earlier. I'm afraid to say you really need to put your foot down now, otherwise you will be totally walked over in future.

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 17:14

Agree rectalking to your mum - at least call her.

As above though, I would think carefully before you leave. At least attemp to speak to DH before you go. At the very keSt, you will have made your position explicitly clear then and there can be no further "misunderstandings"

gettingeasier · 28/08/2011 17:18

Noting all the traffic on here I reread the OP.

I think its madness to consider forking out for extra air fares for 2 people over this

Also OP you say you are being asked for "thousands" extra now but how can the reception drinks and snacks and a couple of beauty treatments mount to that if it was a smallish do ?

ChippingIn · 28/08/2011 17:24

Rock :(

Sorry, I've only read your posts, not all of the replies as I have a stinking headache but I couldn't not reply after reading your OP.

I wouldn't allow your Mum to pay anything more - not a penny.

I would book into a hotel and stay there with DD until you fly out.

Tell your H that if he wants to stay your H he needs to sort his shit out with his family here. That you will pay what you agreed before you left the UK and HIS family can pay the rest. That the money he has taken out of your joint account needs to be replaced and if all of this doesn't happen he needn't bother coming home. I would be furious - not at the actual money itself (though I wouldn't be happy) but at the way you have been treat by him and his family.

Do not go on this 'honeymoon' - spend the time with your DD doing something nice.

flatbellyfella · 28/08/2011 17:31

I totally agree with Chipping In. This man is NOT worthy of you.

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 17:35

Why isn't the balance being demanded by PILS/SIL to be paid out of joint funds?

I think it has to be if OP wants to sort this out. Firstly, all money should be joint anyway. But also because they are married and therefore need to put on a united front to PILS and deal with problems together. That doesn't stop OP having VERY strong words with H about this once they have jointly agreed what THEY (as a couple) will be paying.