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Got married a week ago - we are no longer speaking to each other

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RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 09:21

I don't know if I'm being a bitch, or if DH is being unreasonable, or if things will improve. I'm so miserable right now and have no idea how to deal with everything. Apologies as this is going to be long.

So, got married to DP last weekend abroad, in his home country (don't want to say where as will out myself even more). He is from this country but has been in England for 12 years. I have a 10 year old DD, he has an 8 year old DS. We live in England but are currently staying at his sister's house, with her family, his mother and our children.

We got married here to save on costs - it would have been way more expensive getting married in England than here, and we wanted a low-key, family ceremony. My mother came over for the wedding, his family and a number of friends came from other areas of the country we're in. Most guests were all from his side.

So, I'd never met his sister before, nor stayed at her house. My mother, who is in her 70s and is beginning to suffer from memory problems caused by strokes came out here, not knowing anyone other than us. She paid for our flights as a wedding gift, contributed towards lots of other things and paid for her flights too (well over a thousand pounds).

DH's sister had done all the organisation - we had communicated before coming out by phone and email. I'd said we had very little money and had tried to reiterate that we wanted things to be simple. DH's father had said he's pay for the Reception.

Anyhow, first few days here were hectic - I'd been booked in for hair, nails, facial etc (none of which I'd asked for but person doing it was a friend of DH's sister so I didn't question it). Ceremony itself was lovely. Then things have gone rapidly downhill since.

My mother (who was only here for a week, for the wedding) hates sitting around doing nothing - she likes to be active, going to places, doing things (gardening, doing dishes - anything at all, rather than sitting around). Nonetheless , she fell in with plans, tried to be cheerful. DH's family organised endless socialising - lots of food, drink, BBQs etc. Anyway, on the Tuesday I'm presented with an invoice from DH's sister for a significant amount that was totally unexpected. I'd thought that DH's dad was paying for the Reception - turns out that this covered just a meal and no alcohol, snacks or anything like that. Then I'd been billed for facials, pedicures etc that I'd not wanted.

I asked DH to check about Reception costs - he refused. All week he's been doing whatever his sister or mother have suggested and has ignored anything I've wanted to do. I spoke to my mother about the invoice and I was very upset as the costs were totally over what I'd expected to pay - there had been no warning that we were suddenly going to be thousands of pounds out of pocket. DH's sister then called me into her room, since she saw I was upset, and then proceeded to lecture me, shout at me and say that my attitude was 'sickening' when I said that I thought her father was paying for Reception (which in my understanding would be food and drinks for the day following the ceremony). DH took his sister's side in all of this. My mother and I were in tears for the evening and my mother then flew back the next day as planned. My mother told DH's sister that she would cover the costs when she got back to England. In the meantime, DH wrote a cheque to his sister covering the amount, from money in his bank account that had been set aside to pay off the cost of my engagement ring. So, essentially, I'm now contributing towards the cost of my ring from our UK joint account.

The rest of the week has been fairly fraught. I'm in a house with all of DH's family and only my DD from my side. DH's son is autistic so being around him 24/7 is difficult - at home he's with his mother half the time or at school, so easier to deal with. DH has been telling me to get my mother to pay the money. I asked why it was my mother that should pay and not his father. He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay. I disagree.

To make matters worse, all his family and I and DD are off together for our 'honeymoon' that his mother has organised. This is her gift to us. Frankly, and I may be being a totally ungrateful bitch here, I can think of nothing less 'honeymoon' like than being with his family and our children for four days in the same place, sharing a room with the children.

All I want to do is go back to England but of course have to stick it out. I hate that DH hasn't supported me in any of this and that he's being so horrible to my mother, who's given us so much, is suffering from the effects of mini-strokes, who flew all the way here to celebrate and is being kicked in the teeth for it. DH is out with his family now and I'm at home, avoiding everyone and feeling totally miserable. I can't see the woods for the trees, am utterly fed up, tearful and wondering how the hell things go from here. I have no idea if things can be salvaged. I just feel like a complete failure.

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HerHissyness · 28/08/2011 14:29

I'm lurking on this post, not really sure what I want to say.

For now I'll offer you my sincerest sorrow that you are going through all this and I hope that you can get through these next few days without major incident and home again, let the dust settle and then conduct a complete assessment of the situation you find yourself in.

Sadly from here it doesn't look as if it bodes at all well.

Remember to trust your instincts at all times. They never lie to you.

(((HUGE HUGS)))

greengirl87 · 28/08/2011 14:37

i can understand you being upset that your husband hasnt stuck up for you but maybe he's annoyed that his family went to the effort of planning YOUR wedding for you, and now your complaing about everything that they have done for you. I would be annoyed if someone had reacted like that after i had organised a wedding for them

honeyandsalt · 28/08/2011 14:48

They just took over though, it wasn't really a true act of kindness, more one of control.

Don't panic. You're in danger of staying married to a complete twat, not anything else. If you can escape out of the house as much as possible for the rest of the holiday do so, but for preference you should just book you & DD into a B&B or hotel. Might as well enjoy the country with your DD while you're there.

While you should have put your foot down sooner, the fact is they spent way more of your money than you authorised or asked for and are now expecting you to foot the bill. Did your H know about all this spending? I don't really know why "I'll pay for the reception" meant "part of the reception", I don't get why your SIL booked you for the treatments from her friend you didn't want, it's a bit ruddy rude. On the other hand, you should have been clearer on who was paying for what before you accepted the treatments and reception but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Anyway, the real issue here is that "DH" has undermined your confidence, left you isolated in a strange land, ganged up against you, had zero empathy for the death of your granny, and tried to make your mother of all people pay for the unexpected extra costs of his wedding. Doesn't sound like a keeper to me.

IMHO unless there's some reason for you to think "oh yeah I know this guy, he's a kind, loving, supportive man and he's my partner for life", get thee to the nearest town, book into a hotel and seperate the bank accounts as soon as you get home.

Anyone can make a mistake. As HH said, listen to your gut, it's normally right.

MJHASLEFTTHEBUILDING · 28/08/2011 14:54

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KatieMiddleton · 28/08/2011 15:01

Have read all the thread and agree with not making any decisions until at home and getting some breathing space if possible.

For now I would be practical. I would ring the airline and see if there is any possibility of getting on an earlier flight, even with a small supplement. If you can't get a flight then stay behind with dd when h goes on the family "honeymoon" (honestly never heard such a ridiculous gift idea in my life). Then I would go through the invoice line by line looking at what is reasonable. I think you should pay for your beauty treatments even if you didn't want them because you had them any way. I would then work out what that comes to and offer to pay it (you had planned to pay it any way) and your h should pick up the rest of the bill.

I would not enter into another discussion with his family (IMO your h should have done all the negotiation as he knows them) and if anyone brings it up just simply say "you'll have to ask h about that". And repeat if necessary.

I think putting some space between you and h will show him you're serious.

As regards rings and other trappings I'd not worry about any of that for now. Once you're home and ready to make decisions you can think about it then.

Sorry it's all turned out so badly.

muminthemiddle · 28/08/2011 15:01

This sounds awful.
I think you will have to pay for the rest of the bill yourselves. Don't let your mother pay. Put it down to a lesson learnt.

Robotindisguise · 28/08/2011 15:04

This reminds me of a chat I once had with an MP who represented an Asian area who said there was a huge problem with dowries by stealth. Women who were from families where they couldn't afford dowries. The wedding went ahead and then they were put under huge pressure to pay various bills. The example he gave was repairs to the family business etc but this is pretty much the same thing.

The fact they spent a fortune on your SIL's wedding makes no difference because she is female and her family's supposed to pay. Your family, I suspect, is expected to pay.

Do you have credit cards? Regardless of the expense, couldn't you just get a flight? I really would get out of this family now, for a little breathing space if nothing else.

Frankly, it would be cheaper to pay for a standby ticket than to hang around, because if you do you'll have been emotionally blackmailed into paying far greater sums for the wedding / beauty treatments / honeymoon etc.

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 15:04

Lurking too and not sure what to say. I'm presuming your DD us still there? Also presume she is aware if the upset?

Can you go out for a walk with H and try and discuss things? For me, the grandmother thing would be a deal breaker. However, if you want to try and resolve this, you need to speak to him. If you xan sirt things out between yourselves to a reasonable degree then if he has paid FIL then fine. That needs to come out of your joint funds and that us that. If nit, you need to speak to FIL and agree a reasonable repayment plan.

You also need to clarify (politely) with the PILS exactly what is being paid for by them re the honeymoon. If you can't afford any extras, don't go or again agree that they will front the money and agree an exact and clear repayment plan with them. Then chalk this all down to experience.

If you can't sort this out with H and/or DD is really upset and PILs won't agree to you staying in the house when they all go on the honeymoon then you need to move out to a B&B if you can't get home.

Moving out and/or not going on the honeymoon will set the tenor of your relationship going forward so I wouldn't do either of these if you think the relationship with H may be recoverable.

Whatever happens, you do need to get out if that room and speak to H away from all if them and out of the house. Then if you can agree a wY forward between yourselves and present that as a united front, that sends a strong message.

MmeLindor. · 28/08/2011 15:09

Dont go home early. Stick it out, it's only another few days. You dont have the money and you cannot ask you mum for more cash.

Get home. Speak to your dh about the situation and how to go forward.

Do you have separate accounts? Do you both contribute financially to the household income?

Do not let your mum be stuck with the bill. Both you and your dh were at fault in that you did not sit down and clearly arrange who was paying for exactly what. I know it is not very British but it should have been done.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You cannot change the past but you can have a good long think about your DH's behaviour.

Is this out of character or is he often oblivious to your feelings?

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 15:20

The only other thing I would say is at least they wanted to contribute something and be involved in the wedding. Try and focus on that if you can. I know this gives cold comfort but I speak as someone who is getting married in three weeks and my future PILS haven't even offered to pay for their own corsages even. Nothing. MIL is already dropping heavy hints (being ignored) about how "expensive" it is to buy an outfit.

They have also shown zero interest in our wedding and clearly the whole thing is just one big expensive hassle for them. I don't want to hijack the thread and I've made peace with their behaviour. I'm only recounting to at least help you focus on the positive element of your PILs behaviour in at least they gave wanted to be involved.

After re-reading, the biggest issue seems to be SIL. Don't engage with her on this. Explain that you and H are sitting thus out directly with PILS. Repeat as necessary.

uppityduppity · 28/08/2011 15:20

Just wondering why it is assumed the parents should pay ... surely the OP and her DH are old enough to sort out the finances themselves? The money that DH paid out of the engagement ring fund? surely that should be joint money anyway?

SardineQueen · 28/08/2011 15:24

Can you get a cheap hotel for these last 3 or 4 nights?

SardineQueen · 28/08/2011 15:27

I think that people posting who they think ought to pay for what is not very helpful as the fact is that they agreed whatever it was they agreed and his family have changed the plans. Forcing her into having beauty treatments that she didn't want and then presenting her with an invoice? Invoicing her for the wedding? Why weren't they invoicing their son? Him demanding that her mother stumps up the money? The list goes on and on it's appalling, no matter how others would have done it if they had been in OPs shoes the fact is these people have behaved terribly.

weeklyshop · 28/08/2011 15:30

Years ago, I was in a similar situation to you. I don't want to give too many details because it all happened in a very distinctive county and I don't want to be outted.

I found myself overseas with my 'd'p taking me on holiday to meet his family, his family being awful to me, him controlling all my money, spending it and then presenting me with a bill and also expecting me to foot various bills associated with his family. He told me it was expected to and my lack of understanding was due to cultural differences. Well my a**e! I've since spoken to other people frm the same part of the world who have confirmed that they were just out for what they could get.

The 'd'p's siding with his family against you is the same too. This all took place in a country a long way away and I didn't speak the language and didn't know what to do and didn't want to offend his family or let myself down and I stayed until the end of the trip as planned. With the benefit of hindsight I should have called my bank to protect my accounts, booked a flight asap and got myself to the airport and out of there.

I can only say that if we'd just got married there then I should have got an annulment or filed for a divorce asap on return too.

I feel very sorry for you and can only tell you about my experience.

diddl · 28/08/2011 15:34

If the ILs have paid out a lot of money knowing that OP & her husband have little/none-isn´t that their look out?

It´s certainly not up to OPs mother to pay.

Unless the husband has agreed to pay for more than he let on-in which case it comes out of their money?

SheCutOffTheirTails · 28/08/2011 15:35

I think you need to leave their home, since they have treated you appallingly and shown no hospitality.

Staying when you are clearly unwelcome just allows them to keep bullying and ganging up on you.

You need to make a dignified exit as soon as you can.

The reason you feel panicked and stressed is because you are being bullied and controlled. Take back your sense of self by getting away from them.

I can't see why anyone would even consider staying with a man like this, but if you were to be so foolish, it will help convince him that you are not just a whipping boy for his a family's amusement.

If you stay, grovelling about the place, you are accepting their treatment if you. Don't.

Gay40 · 28/08/2011 15:35

Weddings: pay for your own in its entirety. It is no one's responsibility but the people getting married. If you can't afford the full shebang, have a smaller shebang. End of. Then there's no beef over the bills.

SardineQueen · 28/08/2011 15:38

gay40 rockin wanted a small wedding but was persuaded otherwise by her H and his family who are into big weddings.

They have talked her into something she didn't want, on the basis they would pay, and then hit her with an invoice.

It's shocking.

fuzzywuzzy · 28/08/2011 15:38

I'm going to get flamed for this I just know it, however.

This man was incredibly unsupportive when you were grieving for your gran He's disrespectful towards your family
He does not stand up for you at all
He expects you and your mum to pick up the bill for a wedding which you didn't want anyway
He's got you paying for your own engagement ring
He's going on your honeymoon with his entire family in tow...

Have I missed anything out???

What on earth are his redeeming features?

shinyblackgrape · 28/08/2011 15:44

Yes - I agree that invoicing the op as an individual is a bit odd. However, maybe SIL thought that the invoice would be discussed and paid for by H and OP jointly. Maybe not

For what it's worth, I would pay for the beauty treatments. They can't (I would hope) amount to so much as the be totally unaffordable. I think not doing that would mean that OP would lose the moral highground a bit as I really wouldn't expect someone to pay for that on my behalf. Whilst SIL should have checked with OP as to whether she wanted them done, I think it's reasonable to assume that a bride might and I would think it would have been mentioned to OP (giving a chance to object) before the friend turned up to do them.

You have to make sure that (whilst PIL and SIL may not be) you act reasonably through out this.

ImperialBlether · 28/08/2011 15:48

Fuzzy, I agree with you! I can't see one good thing about the husband.

Animation · 28/08/2011 15:55

"Am trying to formulate a way to get out of this situation, the house and just hang around near the airport until Thursday. Feel absolutely in panic and nauseated trying to figure out what the hell to do."

Rockin - good job!

If you can get out of there - away from the family, centre yourself and find a room for 4 nights - you'll get stronger.

You didn't ask for this - the deal is off.

And the honeymoon is farcical.

You take control - don't let anyone pull your strings.

Animation · 28/08/2011 15:57

Don't offer to pay anything.

Fuck em.

They insulted your mother.

Suncottage · 28/08/2011 16:05

Rockin

At this moment in time how do you feel about him? Do you still love him? Did you ever love him?

If you left would you miss him?

Has being with his family 'changed' him or has he shown his true colours?

Is this a side of him you have never seen before?

SardineQueen · 28/08/2011 16:07

If I were in your boat, I think I would get my stuff together and go to a cheap hotel somewhere. Take plane ticket obviously. I wouldn't be able to be around them.

Then when home see what H has to say about the whole thing and see if the relationship is salvagable.