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Got married a week ago - we are no longer speaking to each other

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RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 09:21

I don't know if I'm being a bitch, or if DH is being unreasonable, or if things will improve. I'm so miserable right now and have no idea how to deal with everything. Apologies as this is going to be long.

So, got married to DP last weekend abroad, in his home country (don't want to say where as will out myself even more). He is from this country but has been in England for 12 years. I have a 10 year old DD, he has an 8 year old DS. We live in England but are currently staying at his sister's house, with her family, his mother and our children.

We got married here to save on costs - it would have been way more expensive getting married in England than here, and we wanted a low-key, family ceremony. My mother came over for the wedding, his family and a number of friends came from other areas of the country we're in. Most guests were all from his side.

So, I'd never met his sister before, nor stayed at her house. My mother, who is in her 70s and is beginning to suffer from memory problems caused by strokes came out here, not knowing anyone other than us. She paid for our flights as a wedding gift, contributed towards lots of other things and paid for her flights too (well over a thousand pounds).

DH's sister had done all the organisation - we had communicated before coming out by phone and email. I'd said we had very little money and had tried to reiterate that we wanted things to be simple. DH's father had said he's pay for the Reception.

Anyhow, first few days here were hectic - I'd been booked in for hair, nails, facial etc (none of which I'd asked for but person doing it was a friend of DH's sister so I didn't question it). Ceremony itself was lovely. Then things have gone rapidly downhill since.

My mother (who was only here for a week, for the wedding) hates sitting around doing nothing - she likes to be active, going to places, doing things (gardening, doing dishes - anything at all, rather than sitting around). Nonetheless , she fell in with plans, tried to be cheerful. DH's family organised endless socialising - lots of food, drink, BBQs etc. Anyway, on the Tuesday I'm presented with an invoice from DH's sister for a significant amount that was totally unexpected. I'd thought that DH's dad was paying for the Reception - turns out that this covered just a meal and no alcohol, snacks or anything like that. Then I'd been billed for facials, pedicures etc that I'd not wanted.

I asked DH to check about Reception costs - he refused. All week he's been doing whatever his sister or mother have suggested and has ignored anything I've wanted to do. I spoke to my mother about the invoice and I was very upset as the costs were totally over what I'd expected to pay - there had been no warning that we were suddenly going to be thousands of pounds out of pocket. DH's sister then called me into her room, since she saw I was upset, and then proceeded to lecture me, shout at me and say that my attitude was 'sickening' when I said that I thought her father was paying for Reception (which in my understanding would be food and drinks for the day following the ceremony). DH took his sister's side in all of this. My mother and I were in tears for the evening and my mother then flew back the next day as planned. My mother told DH's sister that she would cover the costs when she got back to England. In the meantime, DH wrote a cheque to his sister covering the amount, from money in his bank account that had been set aside to pay off the cost of my engagement ring. So, essentially, I'm now contributing towards the cost of my ring from our UK joint account.

The rest of the week has been fairly fraught. I'm in a house with all of DH's family and only my DD from my side. DH's son is autistic so being around him 24/7 is difficult - at home he's with his mother half the time or at school, so easier to deal with. DH has been telling me to get my mother to pay the money. I asked why it was my mother that should pay and not his father. He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay. I disagree.

To make matters worse, all his family and I and DD are off together for our 'honeymoon' that his mother has organised. This is her gift to us. Frankly, and I may be being a totally ungrateful bitch here, I can think of nothing less 'honeymoon' like than being with his family and our children for four days in the same place, sharing a room with the children.

All I want to do is go back to England but of course have to stick it out. I hate that DH hasn't supported me in any of this and that he's being so horrible to my mother, who's given us so much, is suffering from the effects of mini-strokes, who flew all the way here to celebrate and is being kicked in the teeth for it. DH is out with his family now and I'm at home, avoiding everyone and feeling totally miserable. I can't see the woods for the trees, am utterly fed up, tearful and wondering how the hell things go from here. I have no idea if things can be salvaged. I just feel like a complete failure.

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ShirleyKnot · 28/08/2011 12:55

But it's not just about that is it Jacinda? It's about getting married to someone who -a week into married life, the fucking honeymoon period - is treating their partner like shit.

Colliewollydoodle · 28/08/2011 12:56

You know...Im not saying give in No Way! But you're stuck so, just go with it, be pleasant , let the digs and insinuations go over your head, don't be confrontational. Just keep with it till you get home, don't hand over any money.
It will be far less stressful to you, rise above it confident in your knowledge that they are absolutely raving. Calm calm calm. Then just get home. Away from them and deal with all these problems from a distance. Stay calm- rise above it-don't give in- but don't give yourself away either.
Thats what i do.

ladyintheradiator · 28/08/2011 12:56

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snotalways · 28/08/2011 12:58

What exactly have you both paid for. You couldn't even afford the engagement ring, why on earth you would buy a ring when you have no money is beyond me.

Why should either of your parents be expected to foot the bill. You are both grown ups. Both with children of your own. Grow up. Pay for the bill yourself. And stop putting your mum through all of this nonsense.

If you couldn't even afford the flights out there - why on earth get married there. He sounds like a loser but you sound a bit lacking in the sensibles yourself.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Leave the self-exam til you get home. Take responsibility, accept you and your husband will now have to pay for your own wedding (shock horror), graciously accept a few days holiday with the family - or graciously decline - don't feel pressure here, just do what you feel comfortable doing and paying for. In other words - take control of your life.

LaLaLaLayla · 28/08/2011 12:58

Laurie - the money has gone to his sister already- DH now wants my mother to reimburse him.

Don't you dare allow your mum to give him a single penny Angry

akaemmafrost · 28/08/2011 12:59

I would wait it out then dump his sorry arse on arrival at Heathrow.

I had a holiday from hell with ex and his family. I got quite badly injured and they didn't care at all, wouldn't take me to a doctor or anything. It was a horrible time and I felt totally ganged up on. It was disgraceful bullying quite frankly. Unfortunately people who have been brought up in fucked up families often regress when spending any length of time with them.

Let me tell you what will happen if you carry on with him after this holiday. You will be understandably unhappy about what happened but he will twist it round on to you and most likely tell you that YOU embarrassed him with YOUR behaviour. See if you can back in a couple of weeks and tell me I am wrong. I am sure I won't be. This will drive a wedge between you that only a sincere apology would remove, you won't get one though and will have a few more years of misery trying to "make it work". I know I sound like doom and gloom but have been here with a man and family like this.

Knowing what I know now I would book a flight home ASAP, it might stick a rocket up his arse and give him some awareness of how badly he is behaving if you just up and leave and show you won't hang around being treated like this. I doubt it though.

Sad for you.

Jacinda · 28/08/2011 12:59

I'm writing this as a person who went from thinking my husband's family is totally U and weird (to the point of shedding tears over some issues) to absolutely loving the whole lot few years later. I accept it doesn't always happen but might be worth a try.

gorionine · 28/08/2011 12:59

It goes well over falling outover family that OP will almost never see but I do not know where to start toshow you that Jacinda. Her DH was not at all suppotive to her when her grandmother passed away and that was without his family being involved at all. What other situations will he not be supportive to her again in the furutre if he cannot support his wife on their wedding and when a she loses a family member? I am not saying he should choose her over his own family but in the OP's scenario, he is the only one who can smooth things down he he is doing the exact opposite.

ShirleyKnot · 28/08/2011 13:03

Ah well, Jacinda. See for me the issue isn't really that the in-laws are acting terribly (although they are) it's more the fact that the husband is treating the OP badly.

And it sounds like not for the first time.

lachesis · 28/08/2011 13:03

Whatever you do, don't have kids with this man, he'll take them to go see his family and never come back.

Anniegetyourgun · 28/08/2011 13:07

I think there's a lot of sympathy here for the family's assumed cultural differences, but it's one hell of a culture where it's acceptable to give presents and then tell you to pay for them; where a man states he is going to pay for something, then says actually no, he was only going to pay for a tiny bit of it and you should have realised. Expectations may differ from one part of the world to another, but toxic families, chancers and sneaky beggars can exist anywhere.

Animation · 28/08/2011 13:14

"It goes well over falling outover family that OP will almost never see but I do not know where to start toshow you that Jacinda"

Yes - it has been a significant betrayal, - with him colluding with his family in their attack on the OP and mother.

He has not validated her feelings at all - they have been completely minimised.

It doesn't look good on his integrity.

How does she recover from that?

Appeasing their bullying ways is not good.

Jux · 28/08/2011 13:14

It does sound to me like he is not the person you would like him to be. I say that, not simply from this whole wedding fiasco, but also from his behaviour over your grandmother's death and his attitude to your mother.

My advice is get back to the UK asap, sell the engagement ring, sell the wedding ring and pay off legitimate debts (ie the parts of the wedding you had budgetted for), tell him to sort out his own family, move out or move him out.

Start afresh with terms understood by both of you. You now have a fuller understanding of what you are likely to have in store for you if you decide to stay married. It sounds to me like you aren't going to get a supportive husband in any way so if you want one look elsewhere while it's still easy(ish) to end things.

mumblesale · 28/08/2011 13:16

Show them what you're made of, do what you can to make sure you and your dd enjoy the rest of the holiday and stall all financial discussions till you get home. Once he's out of his family's clutches and the air is less fraught, it might be easier to talk.

I don't think his actions over this short period should cancel out the whole of the rest of your relationship although if you married him because he was strong and capable and you could just melt in his arms and worry about nothing, you may need to reassess and be prepared to wear the trousers.

Family dynamics can be very securely hard-wired in the brain. He has shown he can't stand up to his family and perhaps that he's frightened to even try.

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 13:20

Murder his 90-year-old granny, then tell 'em all they shouldn't be upset. And that her legacy will pay for the wedding, thank you very much.

BalloonSlayer · 28/08/2011 13:20

The in-laws may not definitely be acting terribly . . . as far as they are concerned they may think they made it absolutely clear what they were and were not paying for to the OP's DH, and think that the OP is/was being grasping.

Rockin, the main problem to me seems to be - sorry if this sounds harsh - that both of you thought someone else was going to be paying for your wedding. You don't seem to be saying to your Mother "No WAY are you paying any more!" or saying that you and your DH will pay, but just saying your FIL should pay.

Seriously, it was your wedding - yours and your DH's - if your In-Laws haven't paid as much as you'd hoped then it's for you and your DH to sort out.

In your position I think I'd say to your DH "Look, my mum offered to pay for X,Y and Z and she has done and that's that. OK, we BOTH misunderstood what your Dad said he was paying for, so we'll have to pay for it and put it down to experience. And if you think I'm ever coming out here to stay with your bloody family again you've got another think coming. "

gorionine · 28/08/2011 13:23

Jacinda

I'm writing this as a person who went from thinking my husband's family is totally U and weird (to the point of shedding tears over some issues) to absolutely loving the whole lot few years later. I accept it doesn't always happen but might be worth a try."

I am so sorry because you will feel that I am picking on you (I really am not but feel I have to react to your posts) The thing you do not seem to realise, is it's is not really his family who is the problem, the problem is HIM! As you said they will not see each other much. The problem is the fact that when there is a problem arrising, OP's DH does not support her in any way, be it about his family or hers.

I think you raise a very valid point, Annie

mycherubs · 28/08/2011 13:25

what part of the world are his family from? i know you dont want to say exactly but can you give us any indication ... ?

where his parents happy that he was marrying outside his culture?

get your own bank account too!

SheCutOffTheirTails · 28/08/2011 13:25

You need to get out of there.

Worry about affording the flights when you get home. Just book them, book a taxi, and get away from these dreadful people and this unsupportable situation.

You made a mistake marrying this guy, but it's one you can recover from.

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 13:26

Hadn't occurred to me that H might have stitched her up, BS Shock
He could have told Sis to go all out with her friend's beauty treatments, 'forgetting' to tell OP she was having a makeover and would have to pay for it.

Scary thought!

Eurostar · 28/08/2011 13:34

Rockin - if you really can't get home now, which I would be doing with my DD if I was in this situation. I'd just get through this, nod quietly, say the money will be coming etc., admire their wonderful country for a quiet life and then, once you are out of there, don't send them the money, and frankly, get out of this marriage.

Then...I'm would say that it is time to start doing some urgent and delayed work on yourself. Getting married to someone from a different country and culture is never easy, when you've known the man for less than two years and he has not even treated you well for a good part of that, you have to be asking yourself why you would settle for such low standards and take such a risk....and you have exposed your young DD to all of this as well, plus not really taken on board what it will be like to be with your step son on a more full-time basis.

kayah · 28/08/2011 13:36

What are the customs in his country?

Without knowing that we aer all second guessing.

I would not be making any decisions now, go back home , sit down and discuss all options with your H.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 28/08/2011 13:38

Get the hell out of dodge, I suspect I've been in a similar situation (DH from different culture, nightmare family) and am now v out of pocket and mid divorce (3 years later).

LRDTheFeministDragon · 28/08/2011 13:38

I agree with ilove: you MUST talk to him.

You need to go, sit down with him, and say very clear that you had understood that there would be a small wedding, with your FIL paying for the reception, and you want to know what he had thought would happen. Basically, is the situation that he all along expected the finances to work out as they have, with your mum expected to pay? If so, you need to stress that you did not know that and you need to ask why he thought you would know that without being told. Or, has the situation been a surprise to him too - is he now too shamed by his sister and dad to back down? If so, then he needs to decide between you and them.

If you don't think you can speak to him calmly/he won't let you get this out, then write it down and give it to him (sometimes that is easier).

It does sound as if you two, as a couple, do not communicate well about finances. To be scrupulously fair to him, you accepted the idea of his father paying for the reception, and you expected him to pay for an expensive engagement ring. You might have taken his decision to use money from your joint account as a sign that he saw things differently from you. There's no point worrying about signs you missed in the past, but I'm mentioning this because it really does show that you two are not talking nearly enough about money.

To me, it comes across as if he is being really unpleasant and, at worst, utterly un-empathetic about how having your wedding plans changed at no notice and being charged for the honour feels. That would really, seriously, put me off - but the first thing you need to do is talk this through properly.

Good luck.

MJHASLEFTTHEBUILDING · 28/08/2011 13:40

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