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Got married a week ago - we are no longer speaking to each other

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RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 09:21

I don't know if I'm being a bitch, or if DH is being unreasonable, or if things will improve. I'm so miserable right now and have no idea how to deal with everything. Apologies as this is going to be long.

So, got married to DP last weekend abroad, in his home country (don't want to say where as will out myself even more). He is from this country but has been in England for 12 years. I have a 10 year old DD, he has an 8 year old DS. We live in England but are currently staying at his sister's house, with her family, his mother and our children.

We got married here to save on costs - it would have been way more expensive getting married in England than here, and we wanted a low-key, family ceremony. My mother came over for the wedding, his family and a number of friends came from other areas of the country we're in. Most guests were all from his side.

So, I'd never met his sister before, nor stayed at her house. My mother, who is in her 70s and is beginning to suffer from memory problems caused by strokes came out here, not knowing anyone other than us. She paid for our flights as a wedding gift, contributed towards lots of other things and paid for her flights too (well over a thousand pounds).

DH's sister had done all the organisation - we had communicated before coming out by phone and email. I'd said we had very little money and had tried to reiterate that we wanted things to be simple. DH's father had said he's pay for the Reception.

Anyhow, first few days here were hectic - I'd been booked in for hair, nails, facial etc (none of which I'd asked for but person doing it was a friend of DH's sister so I didn't question it). Ceremony itself was lovely. Then things have gone rapidly downhill since.

My mother (who was only here for a week, for the wedding) hates sitting around doing nothing - she likes to be active, going to places, doing things (gardening, doing dishes - anything at all, rather than sitting around). Nonetheless , she fell in with plans, tried to be cheerful. DH's family organised endless socialising - lots of food, drink, BBQs etc. Anyway, on the Tuesday I'm presented with an invoice from DH's sister for a significant amount that was totally unexpected. I'd thought that DH's dad was paying for the Reception - turns out that this covered just a meal and no alcohol, snacks or anything like that. Then I'd been billed for facials, pedicures etc that I'd not wanted.

I asked DH to check about Reception costs - he refused. All week he's been doing whatever his sister or mother have suggested and has ignored anything I've wanted to do. I spoke to my mother about the invoice and I was very upset as the costs were totally over what I'd expected to pay - there had been no warning that we were suddenly going to be thousands of pounds out of pocket. DH's sister then called me into her room, since she saw I was upset, and then proceeded to lecture me, shout at me and say that my attitude was 'sickening' when I said that I thought her father was paying for Reception (which in my understanding would be food and drinks for the day following the ceremony). DH took his sister's side in all of this. My mother and I were in tears for the evening and my mother then flew back the next day as planned. My mother told DH's sister that she would cover the costs when she got back to England. In the meantime, DH wrote a cheque to his sister covering the amount, from money in his bank account that had been set aside to pay off the cost of my engagement ring. So, essentially, I'm now contributing towards the cost of my ring from our UK joint account.

The rest of the week has been fairly fraught. I'm in a house with all of DH's family and only my DD from my side. DH's son is autistic so being around him 24/7 is difficult - at home he's with his mother half the time or at school, so easier to deal with. DH has been telling me to get my mother to pay the money. I asked why it was my mother that should pay and not his father. He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay. I disagree.

To make matters worse, all his family and I and DD are off together for our 'honeymoon' that his mother has organised. This is her gift to us. Frankly, and I may be being a totally ungrateful bitch here, I can think of nothing less 'honeymoon' like than being with his family and our children for four days in the same place, sharing a room with the children.

All I want to do is go back to England but of course have to stick it out. I hate that DH hasn't supported me in any of this and that he's being so horrible to my mother, who's given us so much, is suffering from the effects of mini-strokes, who flew all the way here to celebrate and is being kicked in the teeth for it. DH is out with his family now and I'm at home, avoiding everyone and feeling totally miserable. I can't see the woods for the trees, am utterly fed up, tearful and wondering how the hell things go from here. I have no idea if things can be salvaged. I just feel like a complete failure.

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ilovemydogandMrObama · 28/08/2011 10:42

It sounds like a cultural clash in some respects, and partly a generation thing (with SIL being older) in addition to a logistics issue all rolled up into a massive nightmare.

Take one day at a time, (an hour at a time?) get through the 'honeymoon' be gracious, smile a lot, and when you get home have a chat with DH about it all. In reality, you probably won't ever be in the same sort of circumstances again.

It could be that your DH is embarrassed about not having enough money? Does he have the idea that he should be able to financially support you?

Yes, he should support you (emotionally) but at the same time, maybe he doesn't want a huge confrontation?

honeyandsalt · 28/08/2011 10:43

I'd really advocate that too sun... if I thought it'd led anywhere other than a huge row. I really can't see this sister being reasonable!!

The more I think about it the more strongly I feel she should just escape asap (into a good book until you leave thurs if you must), sell the ring to pay off the wedding and have the marriage annulled. I agree, don't let your mum pay it off. To be honest you shouldn't have let him put the engagement ring on credit either, no-one "needs" an expensive ring. Make sure you read the "Loser" article, I suspect you have loads of issues in this relationship that have come to a head now.

lachesis · 28/08/2011 10:44

Stick it out, come home, dump him. And fuck paying for it all.

M0naLisa · 28/08/2011 10:48

Your dh sounds like an utter and total arsehole. Do not ket your mother reimburse him. Tbh it would have to be paid anyway as you for married its not like you both bought a new car. So tell him no your mother is not reimbursing him. What religion are the family? i would be asking your mum to get you and dd a flight home then tell dh where 'his' money has gone. Hope you ok?

Bonsoir · 28/08/2011 10:52

I think it sounds like there is a big cultural gulf here - that there were cultural assumptions about who paid for what and what was "normal" on both sides, but that they don't coincide. My sister had this at her wedding (to a French man).

I expect you will have a lot more cultural differences to overcome in future - use it as a learning experience and put all your cards on the table every time. Make no assumptions!

pickgo · 28/08/2011 10:57

Think I'd ask my mum to cover the cost of one-way tickets home. Get DD, jump in a taxi and go.

With a start like this I think your marriage will only go downhill from here. Sorry Sad

Animation · 28/08/2011 10:58

My advice would still be to get yourself and daughter to the airport and buy two tickets - using your joint account or credit card.

I assume your daughter has seen this whole fiasco. It would be good for her to see you assert yourself and not put up with this appalling behaviour by DH and the sister.

LoveBeingAtHomeOnMyOwn · 28/08/2011 11:12

It really does sound as though the family had no intention of a cheap wedding and certainly no intention for your side if the family to cover it. Whether your dh knew this before hand I can't say but they have certainly turned him round to it now. Had he actually told his sister a figure?

perfumedlife · 28/08/2011 11:23

The wedding was only 'cheaper' for them as they had no expensive flights to England. They are paying for what, one meal a head, no drinks or luxuries?

When did they tell you about the honeymoon? Surely you asked/knew what was lined up before, or was it a 'surprise' ?

I'd buy two tickets home for you and dd and sell the damn ring to cover it.

Katisha · 28/08/2011 11:24

I suppose they may have felt that a cheap wedding would reflect badly on them? Regardless of what you wanted.

Doesn't sound like you can fix that family dynamic. Are you likely to get them insisting on visiting on long periods, or you visiting them for long periods in the future - we see a lot of cultural expectations like this. Or even coming to live with you?

Sounds like DH has no intention of modifying his stance with regard to his own side of the family.

FWIW I would sell the ring and pay off the debts, although this will send strong signals about the marriage I imagine.

saffronwblue · 28/08/2011 11:29

my advice is to stay calm for DD's sake, get through it and get home. Then talk through the whole thing with DH. The wedding is over but if he can't see how dreadful this has been for you, then you are facing a lifetime of this. What if the inlaws decide to come and live with/stay with you? What if you have a baby together and they decide to dictate its name or education? My DH has often done this on a smaller scale, reverting to being the son in the context of his parents and forgetting that he is also a husband and father. It is a real source of pain.
Good luck. Hope your Mum is OK.

SoupDragon · 28/08/2011 11:35

"He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay."

Everything else aside, this makes him a wanker TBH. Other things can be brushed off as misunderstandings or cultural differences etc but this is nasty.

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 11:37

Rockin, how distressing for you :(

I'm afraid I think your new husband's showing how much he really cares about you and yours. I understand feeling that you "have to" carry on going through with it, hope it'll be better when you're away from his family, and so forth. But this is your wedding: if he can't be arsed to ensure you're as happy as can be now, it doesn't look good for the rest of the marriage.

I advise getting yourself, DD and Mum on the first available flight home. Don't even bother explaining or apologising, they don't deserve it.

FWIW, I nearly asked my parents to take me home with them from my wedding reception. I should have done.

gorionine · 28/08/2011 11:41

I feel for you , it must be very hard as you probably are very out of your confort zone and the person you expected to support you has not actually been supportive of you in any way.

WRT the organisation, for sake of peace I would put that on lack of communication/cultural gap and go with your DH's decision to pay some money back to his sister and father.

WRT the honeymoon, I would consider it as a little break to know your DHs family OUTSIDE their own home setting where they maybe will feel less encline to be overbearing to you but I would rreally want DH to, in the near future, arrange a proper honeymoon, just the two of you. I think it might be the only way to find eachother again and get away from the intensity of it all.

About the difficulty for you to arrange things from England, I do not know which country your DH is from but if I think of my DH coutry (great cultural difference to mine as well) I would have to agree as unless you "know people", you would not be able to get anything done, however organised you are. It is probably more to do with their way of doing things than with them assuming you are not able to organise things IYSWIM.

BalloonSlayer · 28/08/2011 11:44

Your Mum should definitely not have to pay for any more. Shock at " your mum has got off lightly."

Parents are not obliged to pay for their children's weddings these days. If they wish to offer to pay for some of it, then that's great, but there is no way that they should be expected to. If one set of in-laws offers £500 and the other set £5000 both contributions should be equally welcome - it's not a competition, just a gift.

Your Mum offered to pay for some stuff and has done so. That's lovely, and her contribution is now at an end.

Your FIL has offered to pay for some stuff. That's lovely too, unfortunately it turned out to be less than you had thought it would be. However, that has to be put down to experience - lack of communication.

Any shortfall of money needs to be made up by you and your DH, I think. If it is a lot of money which you did not expect - he needs to acknowledge that he expected more of his family than they actually produced.

And yes - he sounds like an arse. It was his job to find out who was paying for what, and he failed spectacularly. Your mother should not be picking up the pieces.

belgo · 28/08/2011 11:46

I do hope you're not going to be presented with a bill for this so-called honeymoon.

activate · 28/08/2011 11:52

fake an illness and stay behind for the 'honeymoon'

hold on till your home and DH is out of the role he has reverted to (simpering son in thrall of older female family members)

do not say anything and let him talk to you

do not ask your mother for more money but find a way to fund it

who cares who pays for your engagment ring - you are married and money is joint now

gorionine · 28/08/2011 11:52

To make sure there is no misunderstanding with my "WRT the organisation, for sake of peace I would put that on lack of communication/cultural gap and go with your DH's decision to pay some money back to his sister and father." I mean it in the same way as Baloonslayer does, you and DH to pay, not your mother, who inded has already contributed.

FabbyChic · 28/08/2011 11:59

Seriously? if this is how things are going to be you are better of not married to the asshole.

TELL THEM YOU CANNOT AFFORD IT, THAT YOUR MOTHER CANNOT AFFORD IT THAT IT WILL NOT BE PAID.

You cannot get money out of fresh air.

I would be absolutely livid and get a plane home not sit there whilst all this was going on.

Do you really love this man that much that you take this shit?

Katisha · 28/08/2011 11:59

I know it shouldnt matter "whose" money pays for the engagement ring now they are married, but expecting you to pay for your own seems unpleasant.
It's not actually from him, so why do you need it.

gettingeasier · 28/08/2011 12:02

How awful just survive until you get home and think about whats next then.

From a practical pov dont let your Mum pay your DH anything as if you do split why would she want to have sunk her money into his funds ?

From a moral pov your Mum should not being paying anything further towards the wedding anyway

shmoz · 28/08/2011 12:04

No way should your mum pay any more than she has already. I agree that any shortfall now needs to be met by you and H - sell the ring if necessary.

I would stick out the 'honeymoon' and fly back as planned later in the week, it's only a few days in the scheme of things. Try and make the best of it with DD.

Some straight talking required with H methinks.

RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 12:11

I've had the cost of the honeymoon thrown at me from my sister-in-law as she 'spoke' to me after I queried the invoice (and it was an invoice, on an Excel spreadsheet). She also hissed at me that her parents are pensioners. In spite of the fact that my mother is a pensioner and my father is dead, her father paid tens of thousands of pounds for her wedding and both parents have houses with swimming pools, go on long-haul holidays and have new cars. Of course none of that dictates what they should or shouldn't contribute. But for God's sake, don't hold the cost of the 'honeymoon' against me when it's the last thing I want to do.

The thing is, his family are really into weddings - mine aren't and I didn't want a big white wedding. I'd have been happy buggering off to the local Register Office with witnesses off the street. But then, his parents would never have forgiven him, hence why we ended up with the ceremony here.

I just keep thinking of my mum and welling up at all she's done and the total lack of gratitude my DH has shown. He was equally unsupportive when my grandmother died over Easter, when we were on holiday with my mother (my grandmother's eldest daughter who visited her everyday) which meant we had to return to England and our holiday was cut short. He never said he was sorry my grandmother had died, just had a total strop that his holiday was shortened. After major rows before her funeral, he apologised and claimed that if his grandmother had died, no-one would have expected him to go back for the funeral and that there's no need to make such a fuss when someone in their 90s dies.

Oh fuck. In tears again.

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MollieO · 28/08/2011 12:16

Poor you. He doesn't sound like a keeper but that is the least of your worries at the moment. I agree with others that your mother should not be paying anymore than she already has. If your SIL has chosen to spend all this money despite being told expressly not to then it is for your FIL or her to pay as they are her debts, not yours.

ShirleyKnot · 28/08/2011 12:16

Oh. He's a shit. Sad