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To be amazed at how little you all seem to put up with in a relationship?!

177 replies

Jazzicatz · 22/07/2011 16:21

Everytime I come on here and read through this section, most of you very quickly jump in and say 'dump him'. Do you really dump someone for apparant trivialities or just saying it but would never do it yourself?

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garlicbutter · 22/07/2011 21:49

Sheesh, that was long Blush

forehead · 22/07/2011 21:55

That's because they can usually see the warning signs. In fact i am amazed by the amount of crap women put up with. Most of the behaviour would be a dealbreaker for me.

FreudianSlipper · 22/07/2011 22:04

yes of course they see the warning signs of abuse and think this is good i quite like this its fun i shall stick around for some more and get emotionally and maybe physically beaten down until i have no idea what is wrong from right Hmm

FreudianSlipper · 22/07/2011 22:05

oops
meant right from wrong ...

SheCutOffTheirTails · 22/07/2011 22:06

I think the point was that outsiders on this board see the warning signs of abuse that the women in the relationship can't see.

BertieBotts · 22/07/2011 22:08

The only way I could ever get XP's full attention to "sit down and talk" (As I was advised at the time, on mumsnet) was in the car. Then he used to get this resolute face on and suddenly start driving in the opposite direction, into the middle of nowhere. Really promotes a healthy atmosphere for discussion, when you're doing 90 down a country lane and you don't want to make him angry enough to slam into a tree or something. Or you know that at any point he could stop, open the door and leave you there in the dark with no money and no idea where you are. He never did either of these things, and now of course I think WTF was I DOING with someone who I thought might do something like that? but at the time, it was an unconscious thought pattern, not worth mentioning, I completely took that kind of fear for granted, so it wouldn't have come across in my posts apart from tiny little hints which maybe one or two posters picked up on. The vast majority said talk to him. So I tried.

garlicbutter · 22/07/2011 22:26

This is like the 'blaming parents' thread, isn't it, Bertie, or the 'why do they stay' threads that pop up from time to time. People just don't get it until they've done it - as you said: I completely took that kind of fear for granted, so it wouldn't have come across in my posts apart from tiny little hints :(

The whole purpose of abuse is to 'train' you; condition you to it; so that you don't notice your own pain and/or you just think it's normal. Truly successful abusers get you abusing yourself. When the one little thing that makes you go "???" prompts you to check your perceptions with outsiders, you post about that one little thing. Not the daily, monthly, yearly subjugation. Because you've already taken it on board. [not enough sad faces for this]

FreudianSlipper · 22/07/2011 22:28

oops again

sorry read it wrong

garlicbutter · 22/07/2011 22:31

Friday night, FS Grin

FreudianSlipper · 22/07/2011 22:47

i have only had one (small) glass of pinot grigio

such a lightweight Blush

JamieAgain · 22/07/2011 23:09

good post garlicbutter

MigratingCoconuts · 23/07/2011 07:56

I agree, gralicbutter, that is a really wise post.

LadyBlaBlah · 23/07/2011 08:16

Garlicbutter is 100% correct and there are not enough sad faces for it.

Anniegetyourgun · 23/07/2011 10:03

"There is a belief that a relationship has a value in and of itself - not because it is good and brings happiness, but just because it exists. And that the relationship should be sustained at great personal cost because it is more important than you are."

Yes, yes, that's what I've been trying to say for a while but couldn't quite express it right to myself - that's exactly it. Just because it is called a relationship does not mean it has to carry on being one even if it's bad. Just because you're with someone doesn't mean you have to carry on being with them whatever they throw at you. Of course nobody's perfect, and making a home with someone else involves some sacrifices and some adaptation. But that's about two people, with shared values and objectives, juggling about a bit to find a comfortable fit between them. It's a beautiful thing when it works. When a comfortable fit can't be found, or when one person's doing all the juggling while the other takes all the comfort, that is not a relationship worth maintaining.

When XH accused me of "breaking up the family", I tried to say that a family is not an entity of itself, it is the sum of the people within it. If the happiness of the majority can only be continued at the expense of one member's misery, that's not family - that's slavery. (And believe me I am completely satisfied that I did everything that could reasonably, and even unreasonably, be done to keep that marriage going. I called time when I realised my mental health was being badly affected, not, as XH tells people, because I was bored and looking for excitement with younger men. I wish I hadn't been so stubborn trying to keep it going, as at least one of the DCs is still suffering from emotional fallout, but at the time I thought it was just me. How we delude ourselves.)

Jazzicatz · 23/07/2011 10:41

I just want to say thank you all who have contributed to this thread. I suppose it makes me realise just how far I still have to go in sorting myself out so I don't once again enter into an abusive relationship. I realise it is me with the problem rather than you all saying kick him out!

Thanks again!

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AnyFucker · 23/07/2011 16:10

Jazzi, your time would be best spent not in what other people will/will not tolerate in a relationship (and espressing disbelief at what they say Hmm ) but in figuring out for yourself where your boundaries are

bearing in mind your history, have you had any help with it ?

Jazzicatz · 23/07/2011 18:15

Yes Anyfucker you are right and no I haven't!

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AnyFucker · 23/07/2011 18:17

Maybe you should consider it, love ?

AnyFucker · 23/07/2011 18:17

expressing not espressing Blush Grin

Jazzicatz · 23/07/2011 19:08

Yes I am thinking I should!

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Jazzicatz · 23/07/2011 19:18

I do have to say though I wasn't referring in any way to abusive or unequal relationships but more the trivial stuff.

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AnyFucker · 23/07/2011 19:25

I know, jazzi

People shouldn't make other people feel like shit by doing trivial stuff though

If you profess to love someone, why would you repeatedly make them feel bad ?

By the time people post on here, it really isn't "trivial" to them

clam · 23/07/2011 21:01

Anyone remember starsnstripes? She initially posted about her dh kicking off about being asked to pick up some milk on the way home from work. Escalated into a horrific tale.

JamieAgain · 23/07/2011 21:16

yes, clam, I was thinking about that very thread myself.

MadamM · 23/07/2011 21:41

What garlic said.
But also from my own experience, it is reading all these treads about people in a much worse situation than me that made me realize that I was/am putting up with things that pehaps I shouldn't be putting up with.
As much as I was/am in the 'talk to him/have counselling brigade', there are so many times where the one thing that come through my mind is 'Leave Why are you putting up with that?'
Coming on here I've heard for the first time about stonewalling, about isolating you from friends & family. I've heard about EA.
And I realized that 'for the sake of the relationship' I was taking on much more than I should.
So now my moto is probably more 'Have counsellng yourself' because the issue isn't your relationship. It is about yourself, your own boundaries, and yur own values. When you have found out about them and they don't match your partner, then leave.