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I've gone but I'm going to need your help detaching and staying away

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BeforeAndAfter · 04/07/2011 23:31

Sorry this is so long - I have lurked on the threads of Solost and WisedUpWoman (and others), in total admiration at the honesty, courage and determination laid out there not to mention the incredible advice (and wicked humour) provided by the MN crew. I know that I will really need the support of you lovely ladies over the coming weeks.

Like many of you my life can be divided into two acts: Before Discovery (BD) and After Discovery (AD). Life immediately BD wasn?t quite normal but wasn?t too far off. After 15 years together, the last six of which have been married, I thought we were just going through one of those distant, stressed phases, where a passionate love life was a distant memory due to DH?s redundancy, my exams, life etc. I now know otherwise and with that knowledge all of those little niggling signs that were there all fall into place and become obvious ? duh ? . How could I have missed the signs?

I am by no means daft but I had not put 2 and 2 together and reached 4, I was at about 3.25. I had figured out who OW was going to be but I truly thought it was budding as opposed to being in full bloom. My strategy BD had been to invite her to dinner and head off her attack by making me into a real live human being with feelings (I have never met her) but it turns out that I was way way too late. Discovery took place on 16 March with a bit more detail on 17 March. The affair has been going on since July 2010. YES, that long. In his words it started as the odd shag but since this year has developed into far more where he realised that come what may, all three players would be hurt (ah, such thoughtfulness).

At this point I feel I need to give some more detail about our lifestyle to give more context. We are fortunate enough to have a house in the country and a crash pad in the city, which was used by us both as relief from the commute. Then in August last year we bought our dream home (quasi retirement) somewhere warm, with a view to me giving up work in 2012, when DH?s pension would kick in. I work full-time (I?m 14 years younger than DH), we have no kids but he has two DDs who are now my beloved DSDs, both of whom are at uni.

Following DH?s redundancy in 2008 he found a part-time job and took up a hobby and the hobby is how he met OW. Towards the end of last year I noticed I could do little right and with his increasing enthusiasm for his hobby and his increasing criticism of me I found myself spending more time on my own at the crash pad rather than with DH at the house. Lesson number 1, never leave a man alone, they need constant attention. OW obviously couldn?t believe her luck and she reeled him in big time.

In February I approached DH to say that I felt we had drifted apart and needed to fix things at which point he agreed and, with indecent haste, volunteered that we spend time apart (about six weeks) with no communications so that he ?could think?. I was dumbfounded as being on his own is totally out of character for him (he is a selfish needy person, so a typical man then). He suggested he would go to the dream home for some space to allow his feelings for me to return and strengthen (ho ho). Anyway, I was still scratching my head, trying to figure out who this man was and trying to figure out why he had built a brick wall and wouldn?t let me in. He came back from the dream home and met me as arranged and agreed that we were best friends etc and that we should try and restart our relationship. At that point he was still not himself. A couple of hours later he broke down and dropped the bombshell about OW and the fact it had been going on since July 2010. I asked if he?d taken OW to dream home and he said ?absolutely not? and then I asked if he?d stayed overnight at her place when I was at crash pad and he said ?no?. I also asked the inevitable question about safe sex and was assured they always used protection. The next day I rang a close friend of mine who is a philandering male (please don?t judge me on my friends?) and he told me DH was definitely lying about using protection.

That day I went back to the house, not having been there for some time, in a symbolic ?moving back in with DH? gesture. We had agreed that he would finish with OW that night and be back by a certain time. Two hours after that deadline was up I assumed he was not coming back so I decided to find out the true extent of their relationship. I went into his Skype account (note ladies this IS a criminal act) and there was a whole written conversation between them which talked about him sleeping next to her, their passionate mornings (I?m sparing the graphic detail) and the fact that she couldn?t wait to fly out to see him. What I don?t understand is how another woman (excellent job, educated at top uni, so not dim) could go into my home to steal my DH. Forget the morals about affairs, I just would not go into someone else?s home and abuse it ? it feels like I have been burgled let alone having my husband stolen. BTW philandering male friend told me that men don?t think the same as women about bricks and mortar which oddly enough did help me. Back to Skype, with one password I found out the extent of his lying ? he had stayed overnight with her at her house and he had taken her to my dream home. Anyway, he eventually came home having dumped her and when I showed him what I?d found he confessed. He then told me he could never trust me again (yes, HE could never trust ME again) and changed all his passwords.

So, fast forward over a couple of traumatic months where he finished with her, I finished with him, we pinged back together, they pinged back together etc. Note: at no stage did he finish with me. The main reason for his flipping back and forth was that he refused to give up the hobby so OW was always there, reeling him in. He then properly finished with OW and, at my insistence, gave up the hobby. The only problem is he was thoroughly depressed, clearly grieving the OW and totally self-absorbed ? like a sulking child.

During the last reconciliation it was clear he was still communicating with her and when I was packing my belongings to leave he had an outburst and implored me to stay, confessing that they had been texting and phoning but not e-mailing or seeing each other. I agreed to stay one last time but his behaviour has gone back to being odd so I expect she?s back on the scene. I turned Poirot and found that there had previously been more than texting but the killer for me is that it is clear he really really loves her and is staying with me for financial reasons. Sadly his behaviour supports this so I cannot rationalise that the words were ?just for her?. Also during this period my mental health spiralled downwards and I ended up on anti-depressants, all the time pleading with him to stop the lying and tell me truth, and he just looked me in the eye and lied and lied.

Oh and one final thing on my scenario I have endured the agony of a visit to ?the clinic? and been checked out completely and he has now admitted that they did not use protection as the affair intensified. Additionally, from the start of their affair I have had thrush on and off and felt that I wasn?t ?quite right? down there so again, all of that fell into place once I knew.

I am lucky in that my work colleagues have been AMAZING and carried me through this hell but family only know we?re having problems. I know that even though I am strong tonight over the next day or so I will want to hear him, touch him, smell him and feel his arms around me (although lately hugs were only there when I asked, wtf ?) that's where I hope you MNs will be around to keep me focussed and strong. He's a liar and a cheat and I am too good for him (my current mantra).

Thank you for reading this far.

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Wisedupwoman · 17/08/2011 13:00

Right now listen up.

You are a bloody marvellous woman who has had her world shattered. Right now any other goodbye is going to be maginified since it connects so closely to your primary loss.

The fact that you can have an honest, caring and close relationship with a guy who prefers not to get close shows that you are a really special woman who respects people's difference.

And there will be other's yes, when the time is right. You will be able to enjoy (as you already have) new experiences even as you know the sadness is lurking in the background. That's an achievement in itself, shows how resilient you are. B&A I know you've lost alot, but you have and will gain so much more, you know that. But for now accept the sadness as part of the healing. It gets said so much here but I don't think it can be said too much really, that this too will pass.

Now, have something nice to eat, beautify yourself, put on something fabulous - then chin up and tits out for your date. Smile

BeforeAndAfter · 18/08/2011 08:10

Aw, thanks Wisey. Your post yesterday really did pick me up. You're a life saver.

So my hot date was lovely. He really is incredibly dashing and I found out he's 10 years' younger than me Grin - which I hadn't realised ... but I think we will just be good friends.

I was not exactly in full-on flirt mode which is strange because I'd been looking forward to it but I have other more pressing things pressing down on me right now so the timing wasn't exactly great. To put it another way, there was no sizzle in my sausage so I think I was home by about 10.

Still it's a start.

So today is the last time I will be at my house so I need to put on my suit of armour, steel toe-caps and try and get through the swirl of emotions that will surely be there today.

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Saffysmum · 18/08/2011 19:29

B&A, that you can even think about a date this early on in your journey from "him" is impressive.

You are still in the early stages hun - there is no rush - it will take as long as it takes.

How are you now? How did things go at the house?

Stay strong sweetie.

X

wellthatsdoneit · 18/08/2011 20:54

Hope everything went ok today for you.

Wisedupwoman · 18/08/2011 23:17

Well, maybe you're at the casserole stage rather than a quick fry up!

But you did it and it gives you important information about where you're at. And FWIW my libido is in my boots too and that's where it'll stay until I'm good and ready Grin.

drfayray · 18/08/2011 23:46

Ah B&A, you are such a lovely woman. I am in a bad way myself so cannot really find the words of support right this minute so I am sorry. But I am glad you got to go out.

And if we are going with this cooking metaphor, Wisey, then I am in slowcooker mode Grin.

Saffysmum · 19/08/2011 06:23

Get you lot - I'm still lurking at the bottom of the freezer like a forgotten fish finger Wink

B&A, sorry you feel so low, and it is so exhausting pretending to be ok, and putting on a brave face, I did that for so long before we split. But one day, and I promise this, you will find that you're no longer putting on an act and you actually feel ok, even good.

This stage will pass, you have to go through it to get to the other side. X

BeforeAndAfter · 22/08/2011 22:19

Thank you to the three musketeers for your food metaphors. I loved them all and I well know the joy of finding a lone fishfinger in the freezer!

Wellthatsdoneit, thank you for your message of support. It is much appreciated and you have all buoyed me along during the weekend.

I am totally exhuasted and feel very run down, with a beautiful cold sore having popped up on my lip. How delightful! I think it's a combination of the emotional and physical exhaustion as I've been playing out of my age group the last few days!

So the house is now a closed chapter in my life. It?s strange but the hardest thing was saying goodbye to my neighbour as opposed to closing the front door of my house for the last time. I have definitely detached from the house but, to be fair, I never really loved that house anyway; just the kitchen.

I spent Friday and the weekend showing my nephew the sights of London. We really enjoyed the weekend and he was superb company; my sister?s done a lovely job bringing him up. He loves to cook, he gardens and is interested in everything, which is great. It was quite funny because the waiters in one of the restaurants I took him to, definitely thought he was my toy boy! Oh and he took me clubbing on Friday and I was up till 4am. I'm still recovering!

So I am sitting here surrounded by boxes and clutter but that?s the lot, there?s no more to come, so I will slowly find homes for everything and put it all away. I am feeling flat but that?s only to be expected. Still, I have an exciting Friday night lined up, an 80s party in Soho through my social site!!! That will be fun. :)

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BeforeAndAfter · 23/08/2011 23:08

Something has literally just occurred to me. I posted on someone else's thread yesterday and I was rereading this post for therapy purposes and I twigged that I'm not actually angry any more. I'd posted way up thread about my anger and vile thoughts and I'm not angry now. I don't hate OW either. So when did this happen? I'm sure there will be stabbing moments of hatred and anger but there's no undercurrent of negativity. Hmm. Real progress.

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BeforeAndAfter · 24/08/2011 13:16

I'm having a fist of grief day today. It hit me this morning right in the solar plexus. I had to text H about something this morning and he texted me back and I just miss him so very much today. It's killed off my day.

Am out tonight at a work dinner so will have do the old chin up, tits out thing when I just want to crawl away and cry. I also realised something else last night. I can't call him anything other TCH or H. I can't use the "X" word/letter yet. So, I guess that's the next milestone, when I can do that and not care. I'm not ready to take that step.

I want my H.

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drfayray · 24/08/2011 13:50

Oh B&A sorry to hear that petal Sad. This is all so shit. I am in bed on the phone so cannot write much but will tomorrow.

I am thinking of you. Be brave.
My daughter said this to me yesterday: mum, I think you are amazing! It bucked me up no end.

Well dear B&A, I think YOU are amazing !!

wellthatsdoneit · 24/08/2011 14:04

I know you do. Take baby steps - one foot in front of the other. One minute at a time if you have to. Each tiny step you take is another one on the road to happiness.

Think the work dinner will do you good. Give you a distraction and a reason to get dressed up a little.

It will pass. You will be happy again.

catsrus · 24/08/2011 14:42

oh dear B&A - backlash of emotion, I know that feeling. You want your H - but your H, the one you fell in love with and made a life with, doesn't exist any more. That person changed into one who lied to you and caused you to have to attend a clinic to check for STIs - just like my H changed into someone who lied to me and his dcs and the court and solicitors ..... You need to grieve for the H you lost, remember the good times though - you don't have to lose the good memories, I'm fighting to keep mine 'clean' from the contamination of exHs lies and betrayal. You will catch glimpses of the old H now - mine was ironically more like the one I fell in love with once we separated - but I think that was because he was showing that persona to the OW - best behaviour and all that.

Enjoy the works dinner - onward and upward my dear! We were together 25 yrs and it is weird now when I have to communicate with him - but overall better in the end I think (hope!)

BeforeAndAfter · 24/08/2011 15:06

DrFay, Wellthats and Cats thank you, thank you, thank you. It is a lifesaver to know that you really are out there, supporting me.

I have put on my make-up early in the hope that vanity will stop me allowing my mascara to smudge!

"Cats, you are right, my* H does not exist any more, not for me, any way. He is a liar and a prevaricator who never gets around to anything if it doesn't suit him. I have to remember that and I fear I will be reminded of this as he drags his feet through the divorce process. I agree with you that it is important to keep the good times 'clean' and I guess that's what I'm mourning; the good times which haven't really been around for a couple of years.

Thank you all so so much for being there.

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wellthatsdoneit · 24/08/2011 15:20

Yes, you are in mourning, only it's harder because there is a doppleganger of him walking around in all his offensive glory.

You're running on faith at the moment. It will not always be this way. Each minute that passes is one further away from the pain.

Wisedupwoman · 24/08/2011 18:45

HI B&A sorry you've had a bit of an up and down couple of days.

I think it's a good sign that you have been able to say it, say you want your H. I hit that point about 3 months down the line just after I'd heard i got my job. It was enormously painful but cleansing somehow to acknowledge my desire to have him back instead of trying to deny what is a normal part of this process. It only happened once, and since then, like you, I accept that PTM is the man I know now, and DH is gone. So, I'm glad you felt that, glad you didn't pretend and I'm pleased that you can see that TCH isn't a man who can treat you the way you deserve to be treated.

have a lovely evening tonight, eat lovely food and bring us a doggy bag!!

TheOriginalFAB · 24/08/2011 19:22

I only just saw your thread B&A and have read it in one go.

I am in awe of your strength and force of character and think your DSD's are lucky to have you.

Don't worry too much about any lows. You can't spend 15 years with someone and get over them in weeks.

BeforeAndAfter · 25/08/2011 01:12

Thank you OriginalFAB. Hats off to you for sheer staying power - I am the queen of long-windedness on here, so reading my blurb in one go is no mean feat! I cannot tell you how fulfilling and galvanising it is to post, to read responses to my posts and to try and respond to the posts of others, which in itself can really help organise and crystallise my thoughts. So thank you for stopping by. :)

Wellthatsdoneit I love the description of H being a doppelganger in all his offensive glory! It?s so true. I might now call H my Twunty Doppelganger.

Dinner was lovely and I am glad I went. Sorry Wisey, no leftovers < ladylike burp >.

Going out did get me to a better place and I stayed in that better place even when I peeped at my Blackberry and saw an e-mail from Twunty Doppelganger; it didn?t throw me back to where I was this morning and this afternoon. So Twunty Doppelganger has told me he?s not settled my credit card bill as he didn?t want to log in without my consent. Now that?s not a problem per se except that I had told him a while back that I would leave our financial arrangements as they always had been but if he wants me to take over settling my credit card bill then could he let me know. But no, he?s not settled it and not told me to take it over. Why did I trust him to do that? It?s not the end of the world but it does show that he?s not even bothering to take notice of what I send him.

Oh well, he?s back from the dream home at the weekend. I wonder what he?ll think of the empty walls? We had three lovely paintings by the same artist. I?d e-mailed him a while back saying that one of us would end up with two of three paintings and suggested that I take the two I like best (hell, it?s not my shagging around that got us to a divorce so I figured I get two paintings not one). Anyway his only response was ?let me think about it?. So he?s had time to think and I took them at the weekend Grin. Why should OW decide she likes them and encourage him to keep them? Nope, I?ve got them. I did leave him the picture hooks they were on though ... I?m all heart.

Still, the main thing is that his e-mail tonight didn?t make me cry when a few hours earlier the tears were just there, behind the lashes ready to fall.

So what?s the knack of writing a short post? It?s not in my DNA is it? I?ve got more waffle than the Belgians ...

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drfayray · 25/08/2011 01:23

Always here B&A, always here.

I hope you have a nice evening and I bet you looked smokin' hot!

You are in a very difficult place (a lot of us are going there, there or catching the express train out of there!) and really, just have to ride through it.

That is what I am trying to do. Every single time I get some kind of crap hit me, I try and smile (remember I AM amazing according to a pretty amazing 13 year old Grin) and get on with things.

I get upset, cry buckets, mop up, kiss the dog and hug the children, and move on to the next thing.

Keep posting. I am finding that posting is such a comfort. Well especially when beautiful people like yourself reply with such supportive help.

Smile
drfayray · 25/08/2011 01:26

Ooh, you posted whilst I was writing mine. Quickdraw McGraw, you!

Good, you sound stronger.

And yeah on the paintings. I think you are very generous to leave the hooks. I would have left a gaping hole.

I quite like Belgian waffles, myself. Wink

BeforeAndAfter · 25/08/2011 01:38

Hey DrFay, great to hear from you. I thought I was on that good ol' express train out of there but I fell off a week or so ago Grin . I haven?t been able to clamber back on but think I?m standing on the right platform again.

I'm desperately hoping that I've turned another one of THOSE corners now. This "process" feels like queuing at Disneyland, just as you think you're at the end of the queue you turn a bend and see another whole stretch ahead of you.

As for looking smoking hot, well, Blush while I was having a text crisis with a friend earlier he came back and told me I would look foxy in a bin bag. Bless ?im. OK, yeah, hands in air, it was philandering male, but he made me feel good!

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TheOriginalFAB · 25/08/2011 09:46

Grin.

You are doing great but I can't help wondering why you didn't take all 3 paintings.....Grin.

BeforeAndAfter · 25/08/2011 10:05

That's easy FAB the painting I left was the least nice and having it there will always remind him of the other two. Wink

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TheOriginalFAB · 25/08/2011 10:17

You are good!!!

Wisedupwoman · 25/08/2011 17:06

You are very good B&A Grin.

Meanwhile drfay is competing with Saff for a place on the naughty step for knocking big hole in wall where two lovely paintings no longer hang .

You're getting there, it's clear from your posts that you are. Don't forget we who read them have a different take on how you're doing than you do. And I wouldn't worry about the length, sometimes a sentence is all that's needed to convey what's going on and sometimes it's the equivalent of Homer's Odyssey (feck those Simpsons and their conflation of popular and classical culture).

Any how, is the sun over the yard arm yet? I've got a bottle of chilled Chablis in the fridge, day off tomorrow for a wedding (not mine, obviously).

Is it too early? Let me see......