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I've gone but I'm going to need your help detaching and staying away

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BeforeAndAfter · 04/07/2011 23:31

Sorry this is so long - I have lurked on the threads of Solost and WisedUpWoman (and others), in total admiration at the honesty, courage and determination laid out there not to mention the incredible advice (and wicked humour) provided by the MN crew. I know that I will really need the support of you lovely ladies over the coming weeks.

Like many of you my life can be divided into two acts: Before Discovery (BD) and After Discovery (AD). Life immediately BD wasn?t quite normal but wasn?t too far off. After 15 years together, the last six of which have been married, I thought we were just going through one of those distant, stressed phases, where a passionate love life was a distant memory due to DH?s redundancy, my exams, life etc. I now know otherwise and with that knowledge all of those little niggling signs that were there all fall into place and become obvious ? duh ? . How could I have missed the signs?

I am by no means daft but I had not put 2 and 2 together and reached 4, I was at about 3.25. I had figured out who OW was going to be but I truly thought it was budding as opposed to being in full bloom. My strategy BD had been to invite her to dinner and head off her attack by making me into a real live human being with feelings (I have never met her) but it turns out that I was way way too late. Discovery took place on 16 March with a bit more detail on 17 March. The affair has been going on since July 2010. YES, that long. In his words it started as the odd shag but since this year has developed into far more where he realised that come what may, all three players would be hurt (ah, such thoughtfulness).

At this point I feel I need to give some more detail about our lifestyle to give more context. We are fortunate enough to have a house in the country and a crash pad in the city, which was used by us both as relief from the commute. Then in August last year we bought our dream home (quasi retirement) somewhere warm, with a view to me giving up work in 2012, when DH?s pension would kick in. I work full-time (I?m 14 years younger than DH), we have no kids but he has two DDs who are now my beloved DSDs, both of whom are at uni.

Following DH?s redundancy in 2008 he found a part-time job and took up a hobby and the hobby is how he met OW. Towards the end of last year I noticed I could do little right and with his increasing enthusiasm for his hobby and his increasing criticism of me I found myself spending more time on my own at the crash pad rather than with DH at the house. Lesson number 1, never leave a man alone, they need constant attention. OW obviously couldn?t believe her luck and she reeled him in big time.

In February I approached DH to say that I felt we had drifted apart and needed to fix things at which point he agreed and, with indecent haste, volunteered that we spend time apart (about six weeks) with no communications so that he ?could think?. I was dumbfounded as being on his own is totally out of character for him (he is a selfish needy person, so a typical man then). He suggested he would go to the dream home for some space to allow his feelings for me to return and strengthen (ho ho). Anyway, I was still scratching my head, trying to figure out who this man was and trying to figure out why he had built a brick wall and wouldn?t let me in. He came back from the dream home and met me as arranged and agreed that we were best friends etc and that we should try and restart our relationship. At that point he was still not himself. A couple of hours later he broke down and dropped the bombshell about OW and the fact it had been going on since July 2010. I asked if he?d taken OW to dream home and he said ?absolutely not? and then I asked if he?d stayed overnight at her place when I was at crash pad and he said ?no?. I also asked the inevitable question about safe sex and was assured they always used protection. The next day I rang a close friend of mine who is a philandering male (please don?t judge me on my friends?) and he told me DH was definitely lying about using protection.

That day I went back to the house, not having been there for some time, in a symbolic ?moving back in with DH? gesture. We had agreed that he would finish with OW that night and be back by a certain time. Two hours after that deadline was up I assumed he was not coming back so I decided to find out the true extent of their relationship. I went into his Skype account (note ladies this IS a criminal act) and there was a whole written conversation between them which talked about him sleeping next to her, their passionate mornings (I?m sparing the graphic detail) and the fact that she couldn?t wait to fly out to see him. What I don?t understand is how another woman (excellent job, educated at top uni, so not dim) could go into my home to steal my DH. Forget the morals about affairs, I just would not go into someone else?s home and abuse it ? it feels like I have been burgled let alone having my husband stolen. BTW philandering male friend told me that men don?t think the same as women about bricks and mortar which oddly enough did help me. Back to Skype, with one password I found out the extent of his lying ? he had stayed overnight with her at her house and he had taken her to my dream home. Anyway, he eventually came home having dumped her and when I showed him what I?d found he confessed. He then told me he could never trust me again (yes, HE could never trust ME again) and changed all his passwords.

So, fast forward over a couple of traumatic months where he finished with her, I finished with him, we pinged back together, they pinged back together etc. Note: at no stage did he finish with me. The main reason for his flipping back and forth was that he refused to give up the hobby so OW was always there, reeling him in. He then properly finished with OW and, at my insistence, gave up the hobby. The only problem is he was thoroughly depressed, clearly grieving the OW and totally self-absorbed ? like a sulking child.

During the last reconciliation it was clear he was still communicating with her and when I was packing my belongings to leave he had an outburst and implored me to stay, confessing that they had been texting and phoning but not e-mailing or seeing each other. I agreed to stay one last time but his behaviour has gone back to being odd so I expect she?s back on the scene. I turned Poirot and found that there had previously been more than texting but the killer for me is that it is clear he really really loves her and is staying with me for financial reasons. Sadly his behaviour supports this so I cannot rationalise that the words were ?just for her?. Also during this period my mental health spiralled downwards and I ended up on anti-depressants, all the time pleading with him to stop the lying and tell me truth, and he just looked me in the eye and lied and lied.

Oh and one final thing on my scenario I have endured the agony of a visit to ?the clinic? and been checked out completely and he has now admitted that they did not use protection as the affair intensified. Additionally, from the start of their affair I have had thrush on and off and felt that I wasn?t ?quite right? down there so again, all of that fell into place once I knew.

I am lucky in that my work colleagues have been AMAZING and carried me through this hell but family only know we?re having problems. I know that even though I am strong tonight over the next day or so I will want to hear him, touch him, smell him and feel his arms around me (although lately hugs were only there when I asked, wtf ?) that's where I hope you MNs will be around to keep me focussed and strong. He's a liar and a cheat and I am too good for him (my current mantra).

Thank you for reading this far.

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Wisedupwoman · 01/10/2011 23:01

Ah well, what's happened is I've been asked out on a date by a scrummy man. And I'm going too. His name is......Horse Man (and put your smutty thoughts to bed, it's SATURDAY). Grin

BeforeAndAfter · 01/10/2011 23:50

Plenty of room for smutty thoughts in my bed!

HORSE? HORSE? So Wisey, that packet of 12 you're hoarding is XXL then, is it?

GrinGrinGrin

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Wisedupwoman · 02/10/2011 06:56

now look here B&A. Perhaps I was a little...hasty.... in naming Horse Man Blush. His name relates to his job as opposed to his, erm, attributes.

Although one lives in hope, of course Grin

And had drunk text from LBM last night. But he's fine with it.

drfayray · 02/10/2011 07:34

Horse man sounds ok. I quite like my WolfMan Wink

BeforeAndAfter · 06/10/2011 18:21

It?s all feeling a bit weird for me at the moment. You might have noticed my tendency to analyse the backside out of everything, which is sometimes good and sometimes the worst thing I could do (cue Stockard Channing: " there are worse things I could do, than go with a boy or two ").

I finally elicited a response from H with respect to various utilities, contracts etc that I am trying to take over and we?re swapping ownership on the cars. Well, TCH alleges to have sent me the log books etc for signing a couple of weeks ago but I?ve not received them. Obviously this worries me but in his loved up state it does not seem to be an issue for him at all. So yesterday I sent a very detached e-mail simply pointing out that it?s better that we resolve these matters as quickly as possible between the two of us rather than have to involve a third party.

He understood the subtext of my words i.e. IF YOU DON?T FUCKING REPLY, PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND DO SOMETHING TO SORT OUT THESE CONTRACTS THIS IS ALL GOING THROUGH THE SOLICITORS WHICH YOU WILL PAY FOR.

TCH knows me and he knows I don?t bluff. So, the voice reason came back by e-mail with apologies for his ?oversight?. Yeah right. Only I know it?s OW?s birthday this weekend so I doubt he?ll be sorting much out over the next couple of days, except her. It hurts. It still hurts.

Anyway, I had a bit of a sad weekend last weekend. No tears, just sad so I bolted to Mum and Dad?s instead of going out with friends. This week?s been harder than my recent normal and even a spate of retail therapy didn?t make it easier so I saw a girlfriend on Tuesday, where we just nattered over a bottle of wine but no yoga, no pilates, nothing.

What seems to be happening is the highs and lows I swing between are normalising a bit so the highs aren?t so high and the lows definitely aren?t so low, but they are there.

Media Man started his new job this week so he?s in focussed mode but not on me :((. Anyway, on the grounds that our arrangement is strictly, ahem, no strings, I went off and started chatting to some very dishy bloke last night on a dating website?s chat facility. I?ve gone for an old one - 44 Grin. I thought I might at least catch myself a drinking buddy for the weekend but he?s Stateside until Monday, for work. There was no spark in the chat, but to be fair, he?s not British, so the banter will never really be there in the same way and I do love a good bit of banter. He?s Dutch, and I am rather partial to a Dutch man, I?ve worked with quite a few; stereotypically tall, handsome, direct, generally well-educated and masculine as fuck and I do like a proper bloke.

So H is supposed to be coming to my office on Tuesday to drop off a load of papers and stuff. I don?t want to see him so haven?t yet figured out the logistics but I want those documents so will not let him ?post them? i.e. do fuck all. Plus I found some slippers (what a cliche!), so I shall let him have those back.

So three months since leaving, six and a half months since Discovery. Life After H thus far:

  • the extreme highs and lows are normalising;
  • sometimes I still feel terribly lonely and half of a whole that no longer exists;
  • bad days are few and far between but they still pop up;
  • it IS fun chatting to blokes and dating;
  • receiving compliments is wonderful;
  • sex with a younger / new man is awesome;
  • I'm struck by how H looks old when I look at photos now (he's 14 years older than me). Maybe now I see him like others do;
  • H?s birthday is at the end of the month and I?m dreading it.
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Dozer · 06/10/2011 20:42

Hi B&A,

3 months isn't v long at all, you have done so much in that time! You seem to be good at doing stuff to help you get through the difficult times, whether that be socialising, exercise, seeing family, flirting, staying in. That's a really good thing.

And remember, your ex is getting OLD! His birthday just means he's older and wrinklier, but probably no wiser, sadly.

Any plans for the weekend?

Wisedupwoman · 07/10/2011 08:17

B&A.

You're doing what I did and that's good - giving yourself a chance to review just how far you've come in a very short time. Another couple of months or even less and those highs and lows will even out completely and you'll feel like 'you' again, only better.

I have the lovely poem from drfays thread above my desk and I look at it when I'm in a reflective mood. It always helps me get back to me and that's really important especially when the dust is still settling and those early forays into the dating world can easily make us lose touch of who we are and what we want (and deserve).

Keep at it. You're definitely on the right road to freedom from TCH and happiness. Smile

BeforeAndAfter · 08/10/2011 00:12

Dozer, H is definitely no wiser, that's for sure. Just a few short weeks ago I would have said that his loss would be another man's gain but now it looks like his loss is a gain to several lucky buggers - such is the tart that I appear to be morphing into! Grin Grin

My plan for the weekend is to be still, be zen, get back to working out, get on with some chores and try and tackle the Form E (I think that?s its name) where I have to list my assets for H to plunder. In that regard I?m as bad as H in terms of traction. I?m just grateful his pile of assets is bigger than mine!

So this weekend I am donning my nun?s habit and reliving the sex-free life I had when I was married!!

I had breakfast with my beloved Philandering Male Friend today. Not seen him for six weeks or so and I?ve missed him madly. I regaled him with my torrid tales of lust and it was lovely to talk face-to-face with him and get a hug that only a 6 ft 4 bloke can give.

The week before last I took myself off to Selfridges to find THE pair of jeans. Having spent my adult life in M&S?s £9.99 finest, I figured it was about time I went all Elle McPherson and bought a designer pair. It wasn?t quick and I nearly blew my short fuse but I did find the perfect pair and very divine they looked too BUT fast forward one week to today (Jeans for Genes Day in the office) after a week of me being miserable, comfort eating and throwing any thoughts of exercise firmly out of the window, there is definitely the hint of a wannabe muffin-top lurking above the waistband of my to-die-for-jeans which needs to beaten into submission before muffin-top becomes doughnut.

I think all of the wannabe shrinks out there can breath a sigh of relief that I'm not planning any encounters this weekend but I'm facing my troubles (and muffin-top) head on.

Hey DrFay, how?s your Anthology of Lupine Porn coming along?

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wiseoldowl · 08/10/2011 13:41

HI B&A just checking in,
you seem to have lost your Mojo so far, where is my B&A in the suit, giving it some?

I think it might be something to do with the weather (as I have been feeling under it too... or could be because I found out STBXH & OW are house hunting).

It's still early days B&A and to an extent I think you are still trying to find 'yourself'. I am now starting to analyse and I honestly feel like I've been institutionalised and have been let out... but I don't know who I am anymore or how to behave or how to make decisions.

I am tending to keep well away from the complications of men and just focus on myself & DS but I do admire you for getting back in the saddle, & I am totally confident that feisty B&A is just having a bit of a SAD few days, but each time you come back stronger so am sending ((hugs)) that you will feel better after some self preservation time over weekend.

Good luck with the E form mate, nightmare!!

BeforeAndAfter · 08/10/2011 15:46

Thanks Owley, Mojo is definitely AWOL but your hugs have been gratefully absorbed :)

Sorry to hear that your STBXH is house-hunting with his OW. It's just shit, isn't it? But at least we know we'll be OK in the end thanks to everyone here.

Form E still not tackled. I'm a comfort eating ostrich today. Head firmly in sand. I've already necked a whole tin of evap (is that just weird???).

Don't think I can get back to myself until after Tuesday, when H has done the office drop off. A lot of my colleagues are keen to give him a personal greeting so I'm starting to feel a bit protective towards him!

Also got senior management over from the States on Tuesday, so have a big swanky dinner on Tuesday night so that will give me something to aim for, post H's Mission Impossible drop off.

Thank gawd for work.

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Saffysmum · 09/10/2011 09:23

Hi B&A, I think the way you feel now is natural, and I identify with it. When twunt first left, I was running on pure adrenalin, and had so much energy - it's as though all my senses were on red alert all the time - I had so much going on, the kids, the house, myself - I had to adapt really quickly to a completely new life. Now, things are settled, the 'new' I had to adapt to, is now the norm. So the highs are still there, and the occasional lows are still there, but they're watered down versions - because everything is less intense - does this make sense?

As for Form E - bloody thing - I did mine over a weekend, and it took ages, but I tackled a couple of pages, had a break, did a couple more, had a break...until the thing was done.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend X

BeforeAndAfter · 09/10/2011 11:29

Hey Saff

Lovely to hear from you. You're right, it's the intensity of the highs and lows that's subsided, which is good.

Well I haven't yet started the Form E but I have eaten a lot of chocolate in order to find something else to do! I think your idea of a couple of pages at a time is a good one. I hadn't thought of that, I tend to be an "all or nothing" sort so it hadn't crossed my brain cell to take it bit by bit.

I'll do that.

x

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Wisedupwoman · 10/10/2011 13:26

Ahem.

Necking evap and scoffing chocolate will not a sylph-like figure make.

Having said that my current calorific intake consists of a large amount of wine (which doesn't count really, as one doesn't have to chew anything).

Go with it B&A. I clearly remember around the time the nisi came through, suddenly feeling like I didn't know who I was and it was such a lonely feeling. Then someone kindly pointed out that it's hardly surprising - living for a long time with someone who sucked the life out of me isn't good for leaving one with a sense of multiple 'identities', as it were.

And you've got Media Man. Now he must be doing all the right things. Good call, B&A. Good call.

wellthatsdoneit · 13/10/2011 14:25

How are you b&a?

Wisedupwoman · 17/10/2011 09:41

She's into media now. Very time-consuming and demanding field, is media.

Ain't that right, B&A? [hgrin]

BeforeAndAfter · 29/10/2011 00:07

Hah! Into Media. I wish!!

Media Man?s been supremely busy and is snowed under with the new job. We were scheduled for some fun earlier this week but then my big boss from the US was over so I was on schmooze duty and had to cancel.

In the meantime I?ve been having fun elsewhere! I?ve been doing what I do best these days - flirting on-line. I went onto a free on-line dating site and decided to go and check out a chap I?d been admiring on profile. You know the sort - nice profile, no text speak, good grammar, photos that don?t show nakedness etc.

So I sent an e-mail to this chap, let?s call him Pilot Man (oh yes, really!!) and we have been exchanging wonderful e-mails ever since. He's funny, witty, has drive, works hard and appeared to be utterly perfect, in every way. We met tonight. Not a single spark. Not a damp squib of a tingle. He was tingling all over but not me ... I could have shagged his face off based on our e-mails but not in real life. Oh gawd. So I have learned a new lesson about myself. Even though I adore a bloke (and I do adore Pilot Man) I cannot muster a sympahty shag. So I?m not a total slapper then!!

Still, I am learning so much about myself through this. DrFay?s words really summed it up for me: ?this year I lost a husband but found myself?.

The B&A in front of you today has more friends, is genuinely liked at work and feels incredibly attractive, sexy and confident in herself. I know that I am a much nicer person today than I was a year ago and strangely enough I have my ex (note, I can say ex now) to thank for kicking off that process.

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vole3 · 29/10/2011 08:58

Dr Fay's words give me hope for 2012.

At the moment I am at the stage of 'He wanted to find himself, so threw away me and DS. I can only hope the price we are paying is worth it'

wiseoldowl · 31/10/2011 19:16

Here Here Vole - but we are months behind B&A don't forget Envy

BeforeAndAfter · 31/10/2011 20:19

So let?s see what?s been going on over the last few weeks in my life that's not fluff but substance.

Well, somehow I?ve moved on, in my head, from H or TCH to having an ex and I can say it out loud now. So that?s a big tick for progress. I don?t need a nickname or anything else for him, ex will do just fine. He?s still ignoring my e-mails and requests so I am getting close to just routing every single question through my solicitor. It pains me to spend the money but if that?s what I have to do then so be it as I have no intention of being here in five years? time waiting for him to give me copies of the digital family photos.

A couple of weekends ago DSD2 came over for dinner and to stay over. She had been talking non-stop about my home cooking so I made her favourite meal and it was so worth it. She came into the flat and said that as she came up the stairs she knew it was my lasagne she could smell. She said she put the key in the door and as she opened it she felt so happy and excited with the cooking smells. Isn?t it strange? I know just how certain smells can stir warm happy memories and clearly for her there?s something very comforting about me cooking for her and putting food on the table. Before we knew it was 1:30 and we?d just been sitting and nattering all night.

She has not had any time alone with her father. Every time she arranges to see him OW turns up. Apparently they sit there billing and cooing and talking to each like three year olds! I can say hand on heart that the DSDs are not fans of OW. That kind of pleases me I?m afraid to say. I am very saddened that the ex won?t spend time alone with his beautiful daughters and I think it is extremely selfish of OW not to give them time alone. It really would be to her advantage in the long run to put the DSDs first but she?s too wrapped up in the tingle factor for that line of thinking.

Then the weekend before last I went up to DSD1?s uni and stayed with her. She slept on the floor and I had her bed - bless her. We had a lovely Saturday together, a long lunch out nattering, a spot of shopping and then we picked up some nibbles to eat back at her pad in the evening. She?s another non-fan of OW. Each DSD is telling me how hurt the other one is by their Dad?s actions. The ex has gone from Mr. Hands-On Dad to Mr. Hands On OW and not a minute for anyone else. DSD1 refers to OW as ?The Affair? and just thinks that anyone who is prepared to skulk in the shadows with the aim of breaking up a marriage is a revolting human being.

I have to say the solidarity with the munchkins has quite taken my breath away.

It?s a good job the ex doesn?t look to friends and family for anything unless he wants something because that cupboard is very bare.

I?ve not yet managed to start the Form E but in my head I am getting there. I think I shall be doing that very soon.

Now for the fluff bit - back to my naughty but nice antics. After the non-event with Pilot Man on Friday I woke up on Saturday to find a text from Bicep Man apologising for taking so long to get back in contact and asking me out for a drink. I played it a little cool (but not too cool) and we arranged to go out on Saturday night. He confessed that he liked me so much he had bottled it previously and then had gone abroad to work for a few weeks. He felt really bad about not getting back to me as he prides himself on his manners but he couldn?t believe I would like him.

He is just lovely, in every way, and assures me he?s single. I had a day out with a girlfriend yesterday and he texted me eleven times! Nothing clingy, just funny and lovely and last night he sang to me down the phone (accompanied by loud music from the pub!). And he?s texted me this morning promising he?s going nowhere this time. He says he remembers everything about the night we met from the moment he saw me in the bar, when I walked round to where he was standing to order my drink (great move, huh?) and when we started talking while I was waiting to be served. He made me very happy when he said that! You see, I was so sure we had a connection that was more than just a one night stand and it turns out my instinct had not let me down. That?s rather good to know! I like Bicep Man as much as I did when we first met, if not a little bit more. He?s beautiful, funny, interesting, works hard and is just lovely. Media Man? Media who?

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BeforeAndAfter · 01/11/2011 21:27

January 2011:
I was married and looking forward to being able to give up work in October 2011 which would allow me to focus on renewing my relationship with my husband, which had become stale. I was looking forward to having time to do some voluntary work and to being able to study some more. I was looking forward to furnishing and styling my new holiday home. I was figuring out how I would start working as a consultant in my field.

November 2011:
I am single (although not yet divorced). I shall be working full-time for some time to come. I shall probably end up with a substantial mortgage in the next year or so. I have just received confirmation that I am peri-menopausal. The symptoms I?d put down to stress caused by separation have been worse the last few weeks so today I went to see a specialist nurse and bingo, she?s confirmed my suspicions. The menopause - I was meant to greet that phase of my life as part of a loving couple.

So following my consultation today I only care about avoiding hot flashes in my male dominated work environment, not to mention unpredictable heavy periods. So my menopause management programme will involve having a Mirena coil fitted topped up with the oestrogen arm of HRT.

I really could have done without that news right now. Why couldn?t Mother Nature have given me a couple of extra years before hitting me with that?

It?s not the sort of thing I can share with any of the men in my life and more than anything else it?s that ability to share these intimacies with a special some one which I miss more than anything else.

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Dozer · 01/11/2011 22:55

Hi b&a, soz to type at dash but dd2 age 3 still up (going through scared of sleeping alone phase).

Sorry about the news re peri-menopause. there'll be lots practical info and experience elsewhere on mn. Also talk to your gfriends. I have a mirena!

Ooh, Bicep man is back! he sounds a bit flakey, but wasn't he good in bed? Could be a good pick-me-up!

No form e yet, tut tut, c'mon, remember what saffy said. Few Pages at time.

Most of all, v sorry to hear about how your ex is treating the dds Angry. ow sounds nauseating. They've got the measure of her. Your recent times with them sound lovely.

Don't worry about work, get the feeling you're great at your job, and some men at work notice bugger-all!

BeforeAndAfter · 03/11/2011 01:35

Thanks Dozer.

So today I got an e-mail from my Sassy Sol.

Decree nisi will be declared on 16 November and she's not heard a dicky bird from ex. I think that's the kick up the proverbial I need.

She's ready to "move up a gear" as soon as I say which is feeling quite soon.

I've been doing my accounting tonight. Getting my papers in order to start the fight and boy am I beginning to feel like a fight now.

That's what I need. A bit more of the feisty me and then I'll fucking knock his block off and hopefully send his dick flying into orbit too.

Anyway, I've booked my Xmas holiday - the first holiday this year - yay! (I refuse to count the few days in May at the dream home, while ex was texting OW and I was on ADs as a holiday). I'm off to LA first, where I shall rent a car and drive down to Palm Springs to just chill in the desert and adjust to the timezone somewhere lovely with massages on tap. I'll be there a few days enjoying my own company and then will go on to NZ, for Xmas and New Year with my lovely big brother.

Apparently my great nephews (3 and 1) are learning to say "Great Aunty B&A". So cute ... Plus I'll have a brand new great niece or nephew there, soon to be produced by my niece. Then back to Blighty refreshed, loved up by family and ready for the fight of my life with the ex. For I'm sure that's what he is preparing for.

I had asked him if he would help me out with the flights in terms of airmiles but nothing. Not a squeak from him. Yet another e-mail falling on deaf ears so I plan to bill him for part of the cost of my flights.

If he wants a fucking fight he is so going to get one. I am one mad peri-menopausal bitch.

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wellthatsdoneit · 03/11/2011 10:35

Love the fighting talk - it's pepped me up a bit as I'm about to embark on the flight of my life too.

BRING. IT. FUCKING. ON.

Your holiday sounds marvellous - can I come with you?! (if I had the money, and the time, and a non-mad ex).

Chin up solider. You're doing bloody brilliantly.

wiseoldowl · 03/11/2011 11:12

What??? No E form. That was 1st thing my sol said. Mine's in, but no word from STBXH - must be hard when in middle of trying to find house with OW - what should he put???

Glad to hear about re-appearance of Bicep Man ... & that your instincts were right, reassuring.

You sound a bit down but I still think it's all on the up. You are moving on & how, but there are still going to be hiccups along the way I'm sure.

I admire you so much for how well you are doing. Keep up the good work x.

Dozer · 03/11/2011 22:17

Hiya, the Christmas plans sound lovely! And good one for progress with the accounting. Hang in there B&A. You too wiseoldowl.