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DP jealous of ex

133 replies

americandreams · 19/06/2011 08:35

I split with my husband earlier this year and soon after got into a relationship with DP. My ex was controlling and at times violent but we have a young son together so it isn't possible to cut ties with him.

Next weekend I have been invited to my ex in-laws wedding anniversary party and I plan on going because I was quite close to my ex's mother and his two sisters and it would be nice to see them.

DP says he loves me and sees a future with me but if I want to "play happy families" then it is over.

I'm so confused because I have strong feelings for DP and don't want to hurt him but is it really so strange to be civil with an ex for the sake of my son?

OP posts:
Pictish · 19/06/2011 22:32

Couldn't agree more Timeforme!

americandreams · 19/06/2011 22:36

Well he backed down a bit. He's not saying it will be over if I go anymore but he still isn't pleased. He said if I thought much of him then I will reconsider.

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TimeForMeIsFree · 19/06/2011 22:42

If he thought much of you then he would trust you, he would not feel insecure, he would not try to stop you from making choices about who you do and don't see. Your ex is the father of your child, you are going to have a relationship of sorts with him for many years to come. If your 'D'P is going to stick around then he needs to get used to this. Mind you, if it isn't your ex he has a problem with you can be sure he will find something else. I hope you are a strong willed woman!

Pictish · 19/06/2011 23:10

"He said if I thought much of him then I will reconsider."

And the alarm bells continue to ring!

He is trying to emotionally blackmail you into doing what he says.

'If you persist in doing something I don't want you to, I will make out that you are deliberately hurting me'

In actual fact OP - he doesn't get a say in this matter at all, let alone attempt to force his will on it.

I am never one for a 'dump the bastard' rant....but in this case I will say that I'll bet my last tenner that if you stay with this 'protective' and 'insecure' man, you will regret it.

MilkandWine · 19/06/2011 23:51

Americandreams I am also in no way a 'Dump the bastard' type of woman but this mans behaviour is ringing HUGE alarm bells. His behaviour is not insecure, it is (as Pictish says) controlling and it has now strayed over into emotional blackmail.

Your DP hasen't been in your life long enough to be making any bloody comments re you and your ex husbands childcare arrangements etc. Incidentally if he though more of you he would trust you, as a mature and adult woman, to go to this party to maintain the ties you need to with one half of your childs relations.

You have just come out of one controlling relationship, don't throw yourself into another one. Better to be on your own and working out what you want out of life for a while. Can you seriously be arsed at this stage to be running yourself raggard trying to keep this mans face straight?. Because his behavior WILL escalate, I'm willing to bet my life on it.

TotallyLovely · 20/06/2011 11:42

He said if I thought much of him then I will reconsider

That's emotional blackmail.

What exactly is it that he objects to? Is it that fact that your ex will be there? How old is he?

Diggs · 20/06/2011 12:02

How loveley that you and your son are still involved with your in laws .. Dont let this random guy start to spoil that , its petty and controlling and shows he is not mature enough to consider your sons needs .

All the warning signs are there Op , this guy is a controller and an emotional abuser and your choices are to minimize what hes doing and carry on or see what is in front of your nose . Its always upsetting to discover someone is like this , i did exactly the same , but youve spotted it , well done . Now you need to act , because its not a case of dealing with this issue and thats the end of it , theyll be another issue , then another .

Fwiw , i spend a lot of time with my ex. My dcs are involved in an activity that means we travel a lot to support them , and we do exactly that , often all sharing a hotel room . He is here every birthday , christmas , school event , award evening , and whenever he is required . Conversations with my partner go like this -

" Next month we ( meaning me , ex and dcs ) are going to suchaplace for dcs suchathing , were away for 3 days ".

" How fab . I hope they win . Do you want me to look after the cats ?"

I dont suppose hes happy about it deep down , but he makes all the right noises and says how loveley it is that the dcs still have mum and dad there to support them .

SingOut · 20/06/2011 12:13

This thread has been odd to read because for a while, I was in a similar situation to your man, and I sympathized with him on reading your OP. Until not long ago, I was going out with a bloke who was separated and not yet divorced, who didn't seem that bothered about GETTING divorced although it was clearly over between them, and who allowed his ex (who was pretty nasty) to walk all over him. There were no set times or days for DC's contact in place, so she would just mess him about so that he was running round according to her whims, she changing everything at the last minute and him often having to cancel on time to be spent with me because she had suddenly decided she couldn't have the kids after all and would send them back early. And she'd never commit in advance to having them, weeks would pass without them going to their mums, so I never knew when I would next have time 'alone' with him. It was a long distance relationship and his kids are quite difficult and demanding, so if they were in the house, a normal phone call or webcam chat was pretty impossible as he was interrupted every 2 minutes consistently. I never knew where I was with him, and it was so annoying having to watch this bloke (who I loved) allowing himself to be used and dumped on from a great height. I frequently expressed this to him and sometimes had to take a step back from the situation, because it was maddening to watch and soul-destroying to be part of.

So when I read you OP, I was all understanding for him and, 'poor man, I can see his point of view', etc.
But then I continued to read the thread and I did a bit of thinking. And I realized that no matter how frustrating I found my blokes ex, or his 'tail between legs' attitude around her, I had never issued any kind of ultimatum. Why would I? It was me that found the situation maddening, so my problem in essence. When I stepped back, this was always what I said. I frequently apologized for my inability to cope with what seemed very normal and run-of-the-mill to him. At no point did I tell him what he should do and that if he did not, he would be punished by me in some way. What kind of loving partner does that?! Good grief. If I didn't like the set up, I could leave. And I did leave in the end, because it was ultimately too frustrating for me, and I realized that he wasn't going to change. It was my problem, and he shouldn't change his behaviour to accommodate that.

Your fella... I know you think he's protective of you, but there is protective ad them there's stifling and controlling. He might think he has your best interests at heart, and maybe he does! He probably really loves you a lot, and can't bear to see your ex in your life after what he did to you. I can understand that.

HOWEVER, in his demands and emotional blackmail, he's revealing implicitly what he thinks about relationships and how they work. He's revealing a part of his character. It's not that he's being deliberately controlling of you, sitting there rubbing his hands, gleefully cackling 'How can I further enslave her! Muahahaha!'. He's just a controlling person. Unwittingly, inherently, implicitly, but he is. He's just revealed this to you. So listen to what his behaviour is telling you, or you'll regret it later.

HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:14

"Well he backed down a bit. He's not saying it will be over if I go anymore but he still isn't pleased. He said if I thought much of him then I will reconsider."

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Those bells are DEAFENING me!

OP, you KNOW this, this is EXACTLY HOW IT STARTS! You know this, because you have posted this thread and are asking us. We are all telling you the same thing, that this is not right.

Insecurity MY ARSE, this is control. PURE and SIMPLE!!

OK Blush I am one to say dump the bastard, on occasions when I see stuff like this especially! But that is because I have spent 10 years like this, and will never ever get better. It'll escalate and you may not actually survive this time. Your own real life is at stake here. Don't kid yourself.

For the love of GOD get him OUT of your life.

What else can I say to get this across to you? please tell me and I'll do it?

Do you need a PM, a Facebook page? a 48-sheet billboard? what? Grin

americandreams · 20/06/2011 12:14

Yes its the fact that my ex will be there and the 3 of us are going together. He has had feelings for me for a long time and was absolutely appalled at the things my ex did to me so I cannot imagine him ever treating me the same way. I am in my mid twenties and he is 8 years older.

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HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:15

He backed down on this one. He'll pick his fights better next time. and there WILL be a next time unless you end it now.

HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:16

You are mid-twenties?

You have your entire life ahead of you.

This man is not right for you, or for that matter, for anyone.

HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:19

Erm, I'll drag myself off in a moment cos you must be sick of the sight of me I have to do some hoovering FGS...

but

your 'DP' is apparently "absolutely appalled at the things my ex did to me so I cannot imagine him ever treating me the same way"

HE IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING! Please open your eyes on this?

americandreams · 20/06/2011 12:25

This is the only thing he has ever said or done that has made me stop and think. In every other way he is amazing and that's why its difficult to comprehend what you are all saying, I'm not ignoring you but the things you say don't add up with what I already know about him

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PatriciaHolm · 20/06/2011 12:27

"DP says he loves me and sees a future with me but if I want to "play happy families" then it is over. "

But there is no escaping the families bit - they are your DS's family. You are tied to them forever, and that's going to be much harder if you decide to make it a bad relationship. Your DS deserves a good relationship with his family, that's all there is to it. If he can't see that, then he's a waste of you (and your son's) time.

americandreams · 20/06/2011 12:33

I can't ignore all the good points because I see one thing I don't like. I have my bad points, everyone does.

OP posts:
HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:33

You have been with him less than 6m.

when else did you expect it to start?

Even my mad a box of frogs battering, belittling and tyrannical X made it to a year before he started with the mind fucks. I was 32. I still fell for it. IN ALL ways my X was fabulous. And then he decided to destroy me. Sad PLease love, you are so young, don't let this happen again?

americandreams · 20/06/2011 12:36

I can't ignore all the good points because I see one thing I don't like. I have my bad points, everyone does.

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Pictish · 20/06/2011 12:42

Forget it folks. This poor OP has been suckered right in and believes that her partner has her best interests at heart.

Ok, we all understand that the only interests he's bothered about protecting are his own, but he's got her convinced that his control is for her own good because he loves her so much. He probably even thinks that himself.

Never mind that he doesn't trust her to live by her own judgement as an adult and a parent in this situation, and that her son's needs are of no consequence to him, because the OP has swallowed his 'protector' schtick. He has spun the 'had feelings for you for a long time' line and the OP is flattered into accepting his overbearing behaviour and emotional blackmail as evidence of the strength of his feelings for her.

He'll walk all over her from here unto eternity, and there's nothing we can say to stop it. He will exploit her vulnerability and need to be loved to suit his own ends and make her think that to oppose him is to disrespect his feelings for her.

He may have not won on this one, but he'll be back soon enough OP. Oh yes.

HerHissyness · 20/06/2011 12:47

(for real OP, for real Sad)

Pictish · 20/06/2011 12:54

Yes and he's 'so appalled' by her ex's treatment of her, he sees fit to subject her to more of the exact same, under the guise of concern. It's not jealousy or control like the ex of course....it's simply an expression of his love.

Dear God OP. I wish you the best of luck with the man who thinks it's his place to put the kybosh on good relations with with your ex and his family for the sake of your son, even though he's been on the scene a matter of months. You are going to need it.

ensure · 20/06/2011 12:55

I have got to agree with everyone else I'm afraid! Sorry OP.

buzzsore · 20/06/2011 12:59

This one thing is a big one, 'though. Next time something like this crops up are you going to brace yourself for another ultimatum, another argument, another 'if you loved me, you'd ...'? Does he see he's being unreasonable or does he still think he's in the right?

If the latter, are you really going to have the strength to go anyway everytime? Or are you going to end up avoiding it by refusing invitations cos it'll cause too much hassle?

waterrat · 20/06/2011 13:01

yep...I agree with everyone else. He is trying to make you feel bad about going - the truth is, of course you should be 'playing happy families' - that's exactly what good, separated parents do. If you seriously think it's a one off - then sit down with him and explain that you will always maintain good relations with your ex and his family - that will never change. Tell him you are very, very wary of being controlled, having been through it before - and that if tries to do it again you will end the relationship.

I also think you lept very quickly into a new relationship - have you had counselling ? It would be worth it if you haven't - to make sure you learn the patterns of controlling relationships and why your own choices led you to be in one.

hurryup · 20/06/2011 13:10

Me too, I think you're better off without him, whatever your age but if you're only in your 20's then you should have even less hesitation. Plenty more fish in the sea, (and abusive ones at that) so maybe learn from it and move on.

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