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OK, new beginnings, new thread, it WAS right to serve divorce papers!

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Wisedupwoman · 26/05/2011 19:34

I asked the question - Am I right to serve the divorce papers on my chameleon-like but definitely cheating, lying, cruel and manipulative STBXH. You all said "YES". So I have. The story continues.........

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Saffysmum · 25/06/2011 22:16

Certainly grounds for you to say to your solicitor "fuck the mediation, let's go straight to court".

Keep strong - he's on the ropes, and he's floundering.

Wisedupwoman · 25/06/2011 22:18

Thanks Saff, you keep strong too.

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Alldownhillnow · 25/06/2011 23:00

Excellent news about your job offer. Always a relief to see it in writing. Smile

And as for the maintenance. yes, I agree that he's livid, but I think he's finally met his match and can't even be more inventive than cutting off his own daughter's upkeep to assuage his guilt. I think he is unbelievably stupid.

I'm sure he sees himself as a well educated, decent member of society. But when push comes to shove, he is no better than any random bloke who decides that the only way to get back at their family (cos they're a bit upset that he had a couple of affairs) is to stop putting food in their mouths.

In some ways, I don't think that he has lost the plot, I think he's following a rather well-worn and weary script. Sad The one which says its OK for him to screw over his family, then do it again. Oh and then come back for a final time and make sure they wish they'd never met him.

Its good that this doesn't panic you. This guy thought he was teflon-coated but actually his ego was a cover for a very inadequate man. Thats what you are seeing now. The man who thought he had it all, but woke up one day and found out that everyone he had taken for granted had taken him by the scruff of the neck and made him look at himself in the mirror. That was way too scary for him so he's trying to blank that out by pretending you are not there.

nomedoit · 26/06/2011 00:26

There is a psychological element to this, of course, but it could be simple strategy:

Poor me
I'm ill and can't work
I've got no money
Wisey is so clever and competent she will be fine

Wisedupwoman · 26/06/2011 07:12

I'm sure he sees himself as a well educated, decent member of society.

Oh absolutely he does, but I wonder who he is sharing this information about himself with now?

Who is going to tell him that this is the decent thing to do? OW? His family? Friends?

Who is going to agree with him that me and DD deserve this? Some piss-head down the pub?

Who is going to say that my refusing to stay in direct contact is provocative and therefore grounds for punishment?

Who will advise him that since he is now being hit where he hurts he should finish the job he started? A sol?

No, MNers who follow this thread, this is entirely him showing his true nature, his actual vulnerabilities, his core beliefs about his entitlement to special treatment - and his reaction to realising the world doesn't work according to ptm's expectations.

Well if he wasn't full of hate the day I finished it, he will be now. But I don't care how he feels any more. I will not break and I'll do whatever I have to, to survive this until he is made to meet his responsibilities. Angry

This is a man who is well on the way to losing the only person who still loves and needs him.

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MigratingCoconuts · 26/06/2011 09:16

God, what an arse he is!!!

I think, if you don't mind me assuming, that the reason that you are not worrying is that you are fully aware now that you are so capable that you can manage pretty much any situation he will now throw at you. You are an immensely strong person! And it will be very hard at times but you will manage it.

I remember finding that out about myself too Wink

I also think DD has inherited a lot of strength from you she is going to be an awesome woman!

Saffysmum · 26/06/2011 09:26

Morning Wisey

You're absolutely right.

Remember what a said a few weeks ago, that someone said watching Lycra Man was like watching a car crash in slo mo? Absolutely applies here. It is like a well worn script, it is sad, but all you can do is keep out of the way, protect DD (and you're doing a great job there) and let him crash and burn.

Lycra Man sends me texts now, it was my birthday last week, and I got one wishing me a happy birthday early in the morning; I ignored it. I ignore all his texts unless they are directly to do with the kids. After more than two months, he still doesn't really grasp my "no contact" rule. I'm not playing the correct role in his little fantasy film, which he stars in as the leading man.
This, I know, is pissing him off. He's digging around the kids, trying to find info out, "what did mum do on her birthday?" sort of stuff. They tell him the minimum (the two that talk to him at all). DD said, "ask her", and he said I had snubbed him by not responding to his text. So there he is, all hurt and wounded because the wife of 22 years, who had brought up his family single-handed, cooked, cleaned and stroked his ego for him, decided that she didn't need his birthday wishes. He still has no real concept of what he's done - but it's dripping through that thick skull of his -slowly but surely. Because he's a high-flyer, a top business man, he really thinks that he'll have a matey solicitor who will nod and sympathise with his plight.

That will be his wake-up call. Like you, no one in the world, can look at the evidence of his "unreasonable behaviour" which my SHL has put in the divorce petition, and look at him and feel pity, empathy or respect. And that, more than anything will be his wake-up call. Hurt the wifey and kids, hurt her friends and family - fine. Look at a contemporary in the eye and get the respect he feels is his god-given right - not a snowball's chance in hell.

Regarding practical stuff - if you are really worried that he may stop paying the mortgage, contact the lender and ask if you can pay just the interest if this happens. If you keep them in the loop, they are usually very keen to help.

What he's doing has been done by a thousand men before, he's showing his true colours - but at the moment he's like a little kid spitting his dummy out because no one wants to play his silly game.

Ignore, Ignore and ignore some more. Contact solicitor, say mediation is pointless, get it to court, and sit back and let solicitor earn his money.

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Wisedupwoman · 26/06/2011 10:08

Morning Migrating and Saff.

Yes, I know how capable I am of dealing with this now. I'll contact both CSA and mortgage lender tomorrow. If push comes to shove, I have a friend who could help out a bit.
The other thing I may have to do is try and get a quicker start date on my new job. That way, I could pay the mortgage myself I think although I'd be no better off than I am now. I need to do some sums today to make sure. The important thing is not to default otherwise it stuffs up any chance of another mortgage.

But ignore, ignore and ignore some more, is my new mantra! Thank goodness it's a lovely sunny and warm day here!
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Dozer · 26/06/2011 19:24

Great news about the job, go wisey!

Bag of shite re maintenance. Toad-like.

Surely if ptm defaults on the mortgage then it could affect his credit rating etc? But wouldn't put it past him. Grr.

Wisedupwoman · 27/06/2011 06:36

Morning.

Today at 10am I'll have the nisi.

had a long chat with DS yesterday. He is finally ready to get things off his chest that he couldn't before. Our family is re-forming and closing its ranks.

It's staggering how quickly this has happened, only 14 weeks after it all went well and truly tits-up. It says someting about our capacity to heal and cope with trauma I guess.

i don't know how my day is going to go. I'll probably be back here later.

Wisey
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Dozer · 27/06/2011 11:47

Hope it's a good'un, is a lovely sunny hot day so here's a tasty chilled mojito with mint to toast the next step to the future!

Wisedupwoman · 27/06/2011 16:01

Why thanks Dozer, don't mind if I do! Some queen olives too, I think.

The power of MN has reached PTM. Some money has appeared in my account today.

Did I rush to judge? Dunno really. Whatever, I think it's probably a sign of things to come until it's all formalised.

So, early on in my OP (and since) lots of lovely posters (one of whom is no longer with us - v sad about that) told me again and again that this would get better and how strong I was. I didn't believe it. I wanted to, but I couldn't see how it was possible.

Today, I took a break at 10o/c and sat in the sun for a while, reflecting on things. I purposely didn't book any clinical work in. I reflected on the end of my marriage, which legally is today (absolute pending). But I began to think about when it ended for me.

It ended for me the day, four years ago, that I found out that PTM hadn't ceased contact with the first OW in fact it had increased by a staggering amount. It ended with the pitiful excuses he gave for not being able to 'untangle' himself from her, and his insistence that it wasn't an affair. Psychologically my marriage ended then, for me.

Emotionally, I was as entangled with him as he was between me and OW, and that's what kept me there trying to fix us because he wasn't capable, as brilliant as he might be at his job.

Today I am in a place where my thoughts and feelings are in sync, the place people told me I'd be at, and which I didn't I believe in then.

I know who I am. I'm Wisey, and that's all I need to be from now on. Smile

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totallylost · 27/06/2011 16:19

Well done Wisey, its a great place to be isn't it?!?

Dozer · 27/06/2011 17:24

Wise wisey, you are an inspiring woman.

MinesaGandT · 27/06/2011 18:26

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MigratingCoconuts · 27/06/2011 19:33

So, early on in my OP (and since) lots of lovely posters (one of whom is no longer with us - v sad about that) told me again and again that this would get better and how strong I was. I didn't believe it. I wanted to, but I couldn't see how it was possible.

that has cheered me up no end! I think I'll raise one to you as well, Wisey!! Wine

MigratingCoconuts · 27/06/2011 19:34

As long as you keep that kind of strength with you, he can't touch you.....

Alldownhillnow · 28/06/2011 07:58

Great to read about your day yesterday. Hang onto that strength that you have found. Its good to hear that you feel that you are in a better place. You are yourself, but you are not alone. That's the wonderful part of coming through this.

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Wisedupwoman · 28/06/2011 15:29

Thanks all.

Have letter from sol - PTM is objecting to mediation now. He takes the view that since "Wisey wishes to pursue enforcement of financial support through CSA i do not see the purpose of paying out further large sums of money for mediation, once a statutory minimum has been imposed".

Well my sol is writing back to reiterate the point that the application doesn't interfere with mediation at all with a general settlement and that I am still willing to go ahead.

Knew it. I'm not playing by his rules any more, he can see it and feel it. "Enforcement" - that's the language of someone who is full of self pity because it hasn't gone all his way.

Noticeably absent from his letter to my sol is any mention that he has himself sought legal advice, nor is there any hint that he knows what he's talking about. No wonder he's off work with a 'stress-induced illness'.

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Wisedupwoman · 28/06/2011 15:31

It wouldn't surprise me if I get a phone call from one of his family, outraged at my inhumane and unreasonable behaviour.

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Wisedupwoman · 28/06/2011 16:02

Oh god, Sugar in my brief encounter with anger I forgot to say I hope you're on your way to getting things sorted. Sorry. Blush

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nomedoit · 28/06/2011 16:06

Do you think his solicitor told him to pay you some money?

Alldownhillnow · 28/06/2011 16:12

Aha! So now Mr Angry has got the message and is flailing around trying not to let the mud stick to him.

At least he is out from his cover now and you are seeing exactly what he is thinking and doing. And there are no surprises really.

Great that you are able to go back with a reminder that mediation is still an option but he seems to have worked out that he is in for an enormous bill, no matter where this ends up. I think that you had to go through the CSA; your personal knowledge of his financial plans and the debt he has accrued means you know he could easily leave you high and dry. And erm... his history is fairly plain - he's not been honest with you for a long time. Why on earth would you trust him???

Wisey The Enforcer has put her 'tanks on his lawn' and he's feeling put out. Looks like whatever advice he is getting is far from conciliatory, the language is pretty forceful.

You are right to be ready for come-back from his family. I've seen the most blatantly obvious lies turned round on the victim. I've been speechless at the audacity of family members speaking out to protect their dear child. They managed to forget the fact that the 'dear child' had abandoned four children, run up debt, run off with another person and left the family penniless. And they defended them without hesitation.

All these years on its almost funny. Problem is that there are children in the middle of these events. The bastards conveniently forget that when their pants are on fire.

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