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Valentine Bombshell - I'd appreciate the irony if I wasn't so devastated

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ValentineBombshell · 14/02/2011 05:40

MN regular & like most I guess can't believe I'm posting this but am up with unwell baby and my head & tomach are churning.

Dh admitted last night he was attracted to someone else at work & they had kissed. Doesn't know what he wants. Everything now up in the air. Have gone from A to Z in my head where we're divorced & the dcs and I are living on our own. Am shaky inside & my ribs hurt. Am just so, so hurt.

OP posts:
AuntieMaggie · 18/02/2011 17:33

Hi VB

The book is brilliant - I would pick out the sections that you think may apply at the moment but at some point read the whole thing.

Look for organisations that do counselling in your area - we were recommended someone by my GP that have really helped us as relate had a long waiting list and were too expensive.

Unfortunately it's not going to get better overnight but it will be worth it if you both commit to working on it.

My DP sounds like your DH - no real close friends and thus the female friend became the OW. IMO it's important that he has a friend or interest of his own that makes him feel good about himself, though obviously the friendship with the OW has to come to an end. Its completely inappropriate for him to continue to confide in her.

It can get better and you can get to a place where your relationship is better than it was bfore, even if you feel there wasn't much wrong with it. But he has to show he is commited to do that.

Good luck.

ScaredOfCows · 18/02/2011 17:40

VB I'm surprised, to be honest, that he hasn't already said that he will sever all contact with her (obviously as far as is professionally possible), and further, that he hasn't already finalised it with something like the letter you have described.

He needs to be bending over backwards, and then some, to reassure you, and he just seems to be falling slightly short of the mark.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/02/2011 18:18

I think NJF is an easy-read tbh and once I picked it up, couldn't put it down. However, especially when recovering from a full affair, it is a painful read.

I think you might be focusing on the relational aspects too much VB, especially since most of the grievances in the relationship are on your side. Yet you seem to be focusing on the things he's expressed concern about i.e. time together as a couple.

I hope you don't lose sight of what you've not been getting from the relationship. As you will see from the book, your H's emotional affair didn't occur because of something he wasn't getting from your relationship. It happened because he had stopped giving to it. Hence my questions upthread about your sex life and his under-investment.

I am also uncomfortable about his relationship with the OW. It seems too woolly and blurred. I kept meaning to ask you, did they exchange Valentine's cards? If so, what did they say?

If he wants to re-commit to your relationship and stop this other relationship, he needs to give the OW a clear, unequivocal message, including an admission of any lies he told her about your relationship.

PeterAndreForPM · 18/02/2011 18:40

Very insightful posts there from LeQ

I totally agree with her

He isn't a 3 yo you have to keep "entertained" to keep his interest

is he ?

ValentineBombshell · 18/02/2011 19:44

Will think long & hard about that WWIFN re not giving rather than not getting. You've brought me up short. You're right, of course.

Will come back re the OW when I know more myself. Dh looks shattered (fact/not sympathy) so wonder how much talking we'll do tonight.

Thank you

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smokingnuns · 19/02/2011 00:25

Have read the whole thread and what surprises me is how much talk there is about his feelings. Ok, that may have been you in the first throws of the incredible hurt and shock. I hope you're past that now and focusing more on yourself and not getting dragged around so much by his drama.

Agree with peterandre that he (now I'm doing it!) is attention-seeking and thrives on drama. He was a 'tower of strength' when you were ill - of course! He was the hero! Incredibly angry that his immediate reaction was to share what is happening to you both with the OW. Incredibly angry. Boundaries, girl: she is off-limits, totally, in entirety, if he wants you, his marriage, his home, his family. Pleae don't indulge him in this puerile escapade.

He says he 'can't explain why' he's done this 3 times. (btw I sincerely hope he isn't still reading this thread or that you are still feeding bits of the thread to him -won't the man do any work for himself? Does he get this spoonfed to him, as well as teaching him how to be an unselfish lover etc etc??). He's done it because he is a baby and is quite happy to be a baby. He's thrown a big wobbly here and, guess what, he's got a lot of attention, which is what he's after. You are doing all the work valentine, all the preparation, all the soul-searching, presenting it to him ready-packaged. He's done none, is dithering about counselling, fussy that he 'won't like' the counsellor [ffs!], wants to talk to his fancy piece about incredibly personal stuff going on in your marriage Angry.

I wholeheartedly agree with sympatico that feelings are entirely unreliable and can swing dramatically hither and thither (hence his attachment to them!). He says he felt words to the effect of warm and fuzzy at work, then on the way home his feelings changed. He took all the silliness seriously! Dear lord, that's what they do when they're on the throne, given TOP priority, knelt down before - which his seem to be - and you're doing it too OP. He's probably in his element (whether he looks tired or not: prolonged excitement can make you tired) - and you're colluding in that OP. Feelings are very often a con. After the first flush (the one he is wedded to?) a marriage is about commitment, not feelings; rejecting what jeopardises the commitment you have made. Being a grown up, basically. 'Feeling in love' is not what it's about, but being in love.

As for fancying someone at work - dear God, who hasn't? Feeling (there's that word again) you might be 'in love' - ditto. It's all tosh tbh. When you realise you are getting the very first twinges of noticing someone, you avoid them. Going to the photocopier? Go the long way. You can't play with fire and not expect to get burned, to get away with it. He can't afford to indulge that stuff. It royally pisses me off that people say 'it just happened'. No it didn't, it happened and was stoked the million times you made an excuse to walk past their desk, the moment your interest was tweaked and you made that first decision. So much self-deception in these grubby little work affairs imo.

Sorry I sound angry - I am. He's behaving like a kid and imo when kids play up you tighten up the boundaries big time. Really big time. Not nice, not nasty, but firm. He has to feel the consequences of what he has done ie unpleasant, uncomfortable consequences. Not lavishing him with time, attention and 'talks'.

Lastly DO NOT GO AWAY AS YOU HAVE PLANNED. Are you kidding? You'll be giving him acres of time to spend with the silly woman. No wonder he was so quick to suggest where you could go!

I am so sorry you have been dragged around by his juvenile behaviour - so painful. Your marriage sounds strong but for this significant flaw (and his underlying selfishness). I hope you work it out and that you make it abundantly clear that this 'flaw' won't be tolerated, is not an option. Ever, under any circumstances. Get the process in motion, even if it takes 3-4 months, to change his workplace and make it a condition that you expect him to step up and address this problem properly - on his own, like a big boy! If he does it again, he's out, and loses everything (not nice). That'll make him think twice on his way to the photocopier.

smokingnuns · 19/02/2011 00:26

oops, that was long. Sorry Blush

ValentineBombshell · 19/02/2011 03:25

Actually the plan is to go away together.

But that's all up in the air.

You're right.

Am empty.

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smokingnuns · 19/02/2011 10:28

Sorry valentine I did go on - posted far too late, got worked up and was far too scorching. I should have taken the passion out of it before posting so it didn't come across with so much punch when you are feeling so vulnerable. Sincere apologies Sad

PeterAndreForPM · 19/02/2011 10:38

VB, are you ok ? Did you get much sleep? That was a very late post from you last night x

LeQueen · 19/02/2011 11:30

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CalamityKate · 19/02/2011 11:46

I agree with every word of LeQueen's post.

PeterAndreForPM · 19/02/2011 12:05

< applauds leQueen >

ScaredOfCows · 19/02/2011 12:22

VB hope you're ok today, I guess you must have had a bad night to be posting at that time in the morning Sad.

LeQueen · 19/02/2011 12:54

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smokingnuns · 19/02/2011 13:35
robberbutton · 19/02/2011 15:10

Wow. I heart LeQueen Grin

Hope you're ok too VB x

romneymarsh · 19/02/2011 15:20

Wow LeQueen for PM sorry Peter or we could have a coalition!! Hope your ok VB, keep strong.

QuintessentialShadows · 23/02/2011 17:17

VB, I have reread your entire thread, and you have so much good advice already. I agree entirely with PeterAndre (I am going to have to get used to saying that, Wink), LeQueen and also Smokingnuns.

It is hard to explain what I mean. The impression I have of the dynamics in your relationship, is that he IS a drama queen who thrives on excitement. This is his latest "stunt" if you like. The emotional affair and kiss with the colleague was possibly not enough. He upped his stakes by telling you, and got the reaction he hoped for. Emotional drama, an emotional high, but ON HIS HOME TURF, with his own wife. Now he is "hot" and "cold", one moment sending fuzzy texts and being romantic (like he no doubt has been with the ow in the past), connecting and disconnecting, having you notice, and thus forcing you to invest MORE in fixing your relationship, having you worried and concerned.
He is rewarded by you working hard to keep his attention, you talking to him a lot about HIS feelings, why he did this, how he can change.

I think this might possibly be your new marriage dynamic. He has kept the status quo, the yo yo between you and him, he has not attempted to gain any insight, do any work on himself, he is riding on this particular wave in your marriage and riding it for all it is worth. Now he is getting a whole weekend away to dissect HIM and his feelings, to talk about himself and the OW and why and how, etc.
He does not appear to have much concern for you, or your marriage, only himself. I agree he appear to be self indulgent.

He has now found a way of keeping the excitement in his own marriage alive. The threat of an OW is enough, he will get plenty of attention and drama. Lots of mileage in this.

And I do think you should do as LeQueen says. Tell him you dont think he is the man for you, and that he should go away while you rethink your life and your marriage.

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