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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Carry On Past the Valentine's Wining and Dining

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notevenamousie · 12/02/2011 06:38

Following on from jesuswhatnext and her original very successful thread and all the many others here , this is the Brave Babes Battle Bus, sharing struggles, thoughts, experience, strength and hope concerning life but more specifically our relationship with, and our journey through, cutting down or cutting out alcohol.

There is no judging or nastiness, just support for whatever works, and if we fall out of the bus we are always welcomed back on when we are ready with open arms and listening ears.

I'm notevenamousie and I'm an alcoholic. I abused and was dependent on alcohol for months if not even a couple of years. I feel a hundred times better physically, emotionally, spiritually, since giving in the fight with alcohol, admitting I had lost, and walking away, but it's very much one day at a time.

If you are a long time lurker, why not make this thread the one you jump in and say hello!

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venusandmars · 13/02/2011 21:46

delight to read [oops]

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 13/02/2011 21:47

Venus xxxxxxxx Smile missed you.!

venusandmars · 13/02/2011 21:59

Hi there thurso - I had the chance to go and visit with my dd2 who is away travelling at the moment. I have been missing her so, so much and it was extremely reassuring to see her looking healthy and happy and emotionally well (I'll still be glad when she'd home in a couple of months time though).

Sounds like you've been having a tough time recently. I read something last week about long term relationships, I'm about to go to bed now, but if I can find it again I'll pm it to you tomorrow.

TheNextChapter · 13/02/2011 22:01

noteven

I think I've got to play it by ear and just listen to my instincts. I also think I'm being a bit careful as I'm not going to be living here for more than another 4-5 months and don't want to come to rely on the people I meet, IYSWIM.

Big book - has been mentioned and I will make sure I get my hands on one as soon as this dreaded assignment is handed in! God, why do I always leave things to the last min!!

I went to a meeting tonight and thought it was great though. Not so much AA terminology, more 'on my level'. Felt quite good. Might think about making it my home meeting.

Mouseface · 13/02/2011 22:33

I'm okay venus - both wolf nor fish ( Nemo ) are giving in to sleep.

It might be a long night Grin

Zanywany · 13/02/2011 23:04

Hi
Glad to see you back Venus, glad you caught up with DD2

Well I felt awful after I posted after having a few friday night (although not as many as usual) as I though you would all think badly of me for both drinking and then potentially messing up a friends possible relationship. Have looked back on texts since then and met up and for once my drink fuelled guilt was unjustified Shock and it turns out I was being clear as to what I want. Anyway moving on I am on date no 3 on Tuesday Grin

How is wolf and Nmo doing Mouse

Hope your OK Ma

Well done again Noteven, I remember your first few posts and you are brilliant

Was out with Neighbour this afternoon and his DD's - absolutely adore him but realise we will probably only ever be friends :-(

Hi to everyone else too

momentsintime · 13/02/2011 23:06

Hello , am/have been lurking

notevenamousie · 14/02/2011 07:35

momentsintime - welcome. Well done for posting, do you feel able to tell us a bit more about what brings you here?

Zany - date 3, sounds serious Grin hope it goes well. I am off men at the moment (we'll see how long that one lasts :) ) so I'll live vicariously through you!!

Mouse I hope you got some sleep eventually.

Morning all - am bouncy this morning again, and relatively well rested, and only slightly worried about work (stop projecting!! that's next week!)

Need to go and get a move on but will be back later, have a good Monday BBs. x

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thursomuchtolookforwardto · 14/02/2011 07:42

Good morning all,

Happy Valentine's Day !!!

Busy day for me today, I hope that you are all feeling well, and that you all have a good day.

xx

Zanywany · 14/02/2011 09:57

Goodness finally got to work after signing for all by Valentines goodies from various delivery vans (Joking)

Hope your all OK

Today I will not be drinking

Grin
desiretochange · 14/02/2011 10:35

:):) Zany, will join you today in not drinking.

Zanywany · 14/02/2011 10:53

Just fed up of having an upset tummy after drinking too much, realised I have had one for a week!! Bought myself some bubbly (well Cava) to have tonight but I don't want to wake up feeling rough again tomorrow, I can't keep doing this. Taking the DC's out for a Valentines meal later and I will have a soft drink.

BTW - date no 3 tomorrow

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 11:13

"it was a direct response to a comment by one poster only, who wrote that it made him happy when i was posting while drinking because it reminded him that he wasn't! perhaps I misinterpreted it but imagine if someone posted to say that their DP had been diagnosed with cancer, and someone responded that this news made them happy because their DP didn't!"

Yes, you did misinterpret it.

Firstly, we're not talking about cancer, are we? We're talking about drinking. i've never yet heard of anyone choosing to have cancer.

Second, I think a lot depends on the spin you put on things. Of course if someone said they were happy someone else had cancer that would make them an awful person. But if I posted and said, "your saying you have cancer makes me realise how lucky I am - there but for the grace of God go I" it might be insensitive and maybe best kept private, but I doubt anyone would find it smug or cruel. In fact, I bet a lot of people on here have said exactly that to themselves when they hear about someone else being very ill or having a tough life - "it makes me realise how lucky we are."

For the record, now that I'm typing, I wouldn't mind using this opportunity to talk a bit about my own drinking, because i was thinking about this last night in a meeting (Clapham Sunday, very nice if anyone's interested, and excellent biscuits.)

I spent my first year in "recovery" stopping drinking, getting better, and then starting drinking again. Each time it was a slow and gradual slope up; and then a sudden and painful drop down. And each time - I want to underline that I am only speaking for myself here, no one else - I had an excellent reason for drinking.

What I eventually realised - and, my God, it was eventual, and it was needlessly protracted and painful - was that, when I drink, the ONLY person who gets "paid back" or "taught a lesson" is ME. My girlfirend leaves me? I'm sad. I'll drink. The next day, I am the one who is broke and hungover and my now ex-girlfriend - if she is even aware I have drunk - is no closer to coming back to me than she was last night. In fact, I have reinforced her decision to pack me in.

Every time I went back to AA - which I personally did, purely because I didn't have a better idea - people were more than helpful. I mean, they GENUINELY wanted to help me. They gave me lifts to meetings; they gave me phone numbers in case I needed to talk; they made me tea; on one occasion, someone even rolled my cigarettes for me because i was too drunk and my hands were shaking too badly. And, every time I crawled back, they welcomed me. Not once did they condemn me for drinking again or tell me I wasn't wanted.

But they couldn't STOP me drinking, especially when I stopped going to meetings. There were no magic words that anyone could say that would keep me away from drinks during the hard times. And i HAVE had hard times in sobriety, like relationship break-ups; watching my partner go through two incredibly difficult births; thinking (wrongly, I'm glad to say) that my eldest daughter was going to die when she was nearly 1 year old; losing jobs; and two career changes. And the reason I have not drunk is not because I have an easy life, and not because someone has waved a magic wand over me so I never need to drink again; it is the awareness of three facts.

  1. once i am off the drinking conveyor belt, I have a choice about whether to pick up the first drink
  2. if I do pick up the drink, I will suffer (so will others, but I must remember that I am the only one who can't walk away from me)
  3. contrary to what I once believed, alcohol is not one of the major food groups and I can funxction without it; and I know this because I've seen other people do the same.

I'm not really sure why I've typed all this; I don't know who it's relevant to, still less if it will help anyone.

But it's helped me and that's why I go to meetings and that's why I come here too. Selfish and self-centred? You bet. Smug? No way. I remember too well what I was like and it really wasn't pretty.

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 11:15

However, genuinely sorry if I have upset anyone - that's not my goal. I have no interest in kicking people while they are down.

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 11:25

TNC

You asked about how AA works.

I think there is a lot of nonsense about AA, especially within AA.

How it works is how it's always worked since 1935 - one alcoholic tells other alcoholics about what it was like (to allow him or her, in AA slang, to "identify", see the similarities or, at the very least, prove that he knows what he's talking about); what happened (to show that there is a way out); and what it's like now (to show that it's worth the effort, that "the other side" isn't as frightening or unmanageable as it seems to the practising drinker.)

EVERYTHING else - steps, sponsors, 90 meetings in 90 days, service, take my phone number, prayers, higher power, phoning newcomers, 12 step calls, Big Book, 12and 12, As Bill Sees It, Daily Reflections, Just For Today card, prison service - is a set of tools to help achieve those goals and to make them enjoyable.

Whether you choose to avail yourselves of them now, tomorrow, or never is entirely up to you. If you don't drink, go to meetings, try to be a beeter person and try to tell others about how things really are - you will get better. And if you don't get better ENOUGH, then you always have the choice of picking up one or more of those tools.

Anyone who tells you that they know the secret or that their way is the only way or that you will definitely drink if you don't work the steps/goto conventions/get a sponsor/listen to this CD/read the first 164 pages is either very new themselves and trying to convince themselves at the same time; or is perhaps best politely avoided.

As ever, just my view.

Zanywany · 14/02/2011 11:35

Thank you for your post MIFLAW - gives alot of food for thought.

notevenamousie · 14/02/2011 11:52

Thanks MIFLAW - you are very powerful with words. Apologies if I appeared to be misleading, I am guilty of overcomplicating things always sometimes. The meeting I go to with good biscuits does terrible coffee - not found one with the best of both (!).

Zany if you say today you won't be drinking but you've bought some Cava, where do you think that will end up...? Just wondered, as if it were me, I would end up drinking it.

I am trying to stop being resentful about V-day, I am actually really contentedly single at the moment! What a waste of energy on resenting a day which can do nothing about the fact it exists. I nearly didn't go to church yesterday because I knew it was going to be about marriage and managed to get over myself enough to get there but can't describe myself as receptive. I've never really bothered with it when I have been with someone. Honestly my ability to be self-pitying with absolutely no need is so frustrating. Hopefully now I've got it out I can get on with the day more calmly.

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MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 12:04

Mousie

Misleading? Don't think so - have I now been misleading by making it appear I thought you were misleading?

Anyway, nothing to apologise for, surely?

In general, I am highly suspicious of AA meetings with good biscuits or herbal teas and this one has both - but it may just be the exception that proves the rule ....

Zanywany · 14/02/2011 12:19

I bought the Cava on Saturday ready for today as a treat for my self on bloody Valentines day but I know I would drink the whole bottle so it 'doesn't go off' and I really really want to not drink atall or much in the week seen as I felt so much better about myself when I did it a few weeks ago. I am going to the local Harvester with the DC's for dinner and will be joining them in the bottomless diet coke. Will save the Cava to share with my sister who is up for half term next week for a few days

Grin
MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 12:30

Zany

Any chance that, rather than planning to drink your Cava, you could give it away/take it back to the shop? You can always buy more when your sister's actually with you, if you still want to drink then.

or, if you have to keep it, perhaps just avoid making plans for it?

The "one day at a time" thing applies just as much to planning days of drinking as it does to planning days of NOT drinking IYSWIM.

Zanywany · 14/02/2011 13:00

As silly as it sounds I almost want to test my willpower so that I feel good about it later when I haven't touched it. I want to know I could have had a drink but chose not to rather than just not having access. Am determined not to set myself up for a fall.

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 13:06

Yes, it does sound silly.

If this was chocolate biscuits we were talking about, I could probably see your point.

But in fact it is alcohol, which every year puts thousands into the ground, puts many others into mental institutions or prisons, and destroys the families, relationships and prospects of still others.

Whenever you think to yourself, "XYZ hasn't happened to me," don't forget to add the word, "YET."

Not one of the tramps on your local park bench was born there.

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 13:07

Just my opinion, of course.

Mouseface · 14/02/2011 13:11

Zany - I'll look after it for you. Can't promise that there will be any left though by the time you want it back Wink

Afternoon MIFLAW

MIFLAW · 14/02/2011 13:11

Afternoon Mouse, things going okay for you?

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