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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Does domestic violence always have to be a deal breaker?

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brightlightsandpromise · 31/01/2011 10:33

Of course my gut reaction is absolutely yes it does. But life is never black and white is it. I am genuinely not in a DV situation, but i have had some arguments with DP where i have pushed and pushed and pushed, and how he hasn't lamped me one i don't know. We have been extremely stressed and sort of pushed and shoved but nothing else - in my mind that is not DV. My DP and i have a good relationship (when we are not up to our eyeballs in business related stres). Why start the thread then - well i was just wondering, because sometimes when we row i think, dont fucking push him over the edge because knowing my DP if he ever hit me he would feel he had to leave. So it got me to wondering, obviously there is abusive domestiv violence which of course is an absolute deal breaker, but are there times when people can move on from it?

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ItsGraceAgain · 31/01/2011 21:40

Thanks, MH - I don't think you need any more from me :) Carlson's books, which are all very small and full of checklists, are all about this issue. For a more philosophical approach, try "The Road Less Travelled" by M Scott Peck. Both are quite old and very widely read - you'll know at least two people who've read them. I reckon the Carlson book is the better starter for 'emergency' people, as it's written to cater to your need for ACTION while teaching you to chill out a bit.

MummieHunnie · 31/01/2011 21:42

Grace, thank you, more to add to my reading list, lol x

ItsGraceAgain · 31/01/2011 21:52

I know ... bad news for a dyslexic. You can probably get them on audio (just a thought - library? Quick before they close!)

itsnotjustaslap · 31/01/2011 22:34

Thanks dittany, Grace, Valium and brightlights and anyone else (am v tired).

I do have a whole support network out there. I didn't tell anyone for the first two weeks but after the second incident i decided that actually my best strategy was to tell everyone concerned; my family, his family, my friends and my colleagues. Everyone has been really supportive and I do feel so much more stronger now.

My husband really picked on the wrong person to fuck with as he knows little about my day to day job and does not know that it is affiliated with DV support.

My husband has in the past threatened to use my (mild) and controlled bipolar against me and said that he would get full custody by telling lies against me - and he would be believed because everyone knows manic depressives are mad. This is bull btw.

For anyone else suffering with Domestic Violence here is a list of things you can do to protect yourself.

Tell someone. Tell as many people as you can. It isn't shameful and it isn't your fault. By telling as many people as you can and getting it recorded you are taking out an insurance policy should you need it re custody battles and who gets occupation of house etc

Contact your local council. Many councils have Independant Domestic Violence Advocates (IDVA's) who will go through things with you and record exactly in your words what is going on. They will give you a risk assessment and act as advocates to give you all the moral and legal support you need. I was given a handy lip salve which is just an ordinary lip salve but underneath the bar code is the telephone number of a 24 hr refuge.

Contact Womens Aid. If your area do not have IDVA's or if the IDVA's are only able to provide high risk support they will act as advocates for your and help support you.

If you live in a council house report it to your housing office. Domestic violence is usually a breach of the licence conditions which means your partner may be evicted.

If you own a house, are on the mortgage or just share with your partner; you may be able to get a Residency Order which will give you sole occupation for 12 months after which it will be reviewed by a judge. They are expensive but Women's Aid or your IDVA should be able to show you templates so you can do one yourself. All you need to do is pay for a solicitor to check it.

You can apply for a Non Molestation Order. Again this is expensive but you should be given templates so you can DIY. I believe this is Civil but if it is breached it becomes a criminal, arrestable offence (but don't quote me on this as I haven't gone through all the paperwork yet).

If you have a child, contact your health visitor. They will record it confidentially on you and your child's health records. Every time you go and see a health professional on your own they will ask you and make sure things are ok at home. It does NOT mean that Social Services will take your child away.

Ask your IDVA / advocate if they can contact the police and red flag your address. If you or a neighbour calls the police they will treat it as a priority call. They will also arrest and prosecute etc and do not need your consent to do this.

Have a word with your neighbours (if they are trustworthy). Tell them what is going on and ask if they will let you in, during the middle of the night if need be without notice. If your walls are thin, agree on a code word you can use or phrase that you can yell loudly out which will mean that they call the police immediately without alerting your partner.

Make as many boltholes as you can. Friends, distant family etc. You don't want somewhere obvious or restrict yourself to one. make as many plans as you need.

Start saving any money. If you have your own savings discreetly transfer money to someone else that you would trust implicitly. Always ensure that you have enough money for a taxi on you.

Tell your manager if you are employed. They should be sympathetic and it means that they know if you should unexpectedly need to take time off.

Take your passport and any other important documents and leave at a trusted friend or family's address

Don't put yourself at risk. If there is another episode of DV and you feel at risk; try to de-escalate things. Say anything that disarms your partner - agree with what they say etc; pretend to make up if you have to. Then, as soon as you are able, take your children and go to a safe house. Don't stop for personal belongings; you can always get a police escort to accompany you for anything else you need like clothes etc or toys. Everything can be replaced. You can't.

Finally, if you want or are able, report to the police. I haven't yet but I have made sure that everything has been officially recorded. I don't have to make my mind up now.

ItsGraceAgain · 31/01/2011 22:37

That is a brilliant post, notjust! It should be stickied (does Mumsnet do sticky posts?)

I'm so glad you have a solid support network :)
And you're so right about how to get one.

AnyFucker · 31/01/2011 22:40

notjust

please, please, please would you repost that on the "Relationships" topic

just as it was, it was brilliant,and I am so glad you are out of that situation x

brightlightsandpromise · 31/01/2011 22:41

I was going to say the very same thing grace - that is sage advice notjust - i really hope you manage to get yourself straight and away from him. xx

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brightlightsandpromise · 31/01/2011 22:42

AF this thread has been moved to relationships but i think it should be entered as a separate thread for those who need it, defiantely as it may get lost here.

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AnyFucker · 31/01/2011 22:44

ooops, so it has brights

sorry, not on my usual equipment this evening

but yes, needs a thread of its own

MummieHunnie · 31/01/2011 22:46

Wonderful post notjust!

itsnotjustaslap · 31/01/2011 23:25

Thank you everyone - I feel overwhelmed!

Ok will cut and paste to relationships in a min.

Btw for anyone in a similar situation; please don't feel under more pressure on yourself to get away now (although obviously not if you at risk right now).

DV isn't just about violence. It is about power and control. It doesn't even have to include violence; the threat of violence, verbal and emotional abuse is enough.

Sometimes it take many, many small steps to break out. Sometimes one incident is enough to make you decide that it's not ok and you need to act. Sometimes it may take several attempts before you feel supported and strong enough to do this and believe me it is hard.

Whatever your situation tell as many people as you can and take as many of the steps you can above to be and feel safe.

You don't have to live in fear. You will do this and you can survive on your own.

For me; I have told my husband that I need unlimited space. I want us both to go to Relate (i am under no illusions however but whichever way our marriage goes I want to have it on record that I tried every option. I also want my husband to confront his own behaviour. If not with me, he will be like this with someone else).

Very, very occasionally leopards can change their spots. There are Domestic Violence perpetrator programmes that men or women who acknowledge that they have a problem and want to change can go on (like RESPECT).

The partner has to WANT to change however, and be ready to hear things that they don't want to. The RESPECT programme also teaches self control strategies to perpetrators and also generally myth busts the lame ole' chestnuts trotted out like 'I lost control', 'she provoked me', 'she was hysterical' etc. on the contary Domestic Violence is NOT about losing control it is about attempting to take control of someone else and make them do or not do wnatever you want.

ValiumSandwichTime · 01/02/2011 10:41

I agree with that itsnotjustaslap. I spent about two months planning my exit. I needed to post home clothes, documents, i needed to prepare myself. HOWEVER bad your homelife is, it's still SO hard to just walk out the door with a toothbrush in your handbag.

whylikethis · 01/02/2011 13:18

brightlights, are you me?

I could have written good part of your posts.

Please keep us posted, as i also need to find a way to change the same things...

brightlightsandpromise · 01/02/2011 13:28

whylikethis - its pants isn't it. I have been really aware of my behaviour over the past couple of days and i have had to check myself several times. Stuff my DP does with his business that i don't agree with, i could have gone off on one at him today but i managed to control it. Its not about not sticking up for myself, what was done is done, coudlnt be changed, its HIS business and he didn't really have any choice anyway, so what would have been the point of ranting at him for an hour on the phone about how shit he is, but the temptation was there and i spent about half an hour in a state of heightened anxiety, not about the problem but about me not having the last word on it! But then i have been on the phone to him later in the day and he is being lovely, I am being lovely and the thing from this morning doesn't seem important anymore.

Someone, sorry i forget who, said about doing the thing where you think, right - this i have to deal with now wont matter next week/month/year/ten minutes so lets just deal with it and not fly off the deep end. It works (so far!)

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whylikethis · 01/02/2011 23:32

Brighlights, what I find very hard is that the only model I have for a marriage is my parents' - they are still married, it's not an abusive relationship, but it's not exactly what I want for me.

However, it's the only model I know. If I don't want this, what do I put in place?

Well done for keeping quiet about whatever your DH has done today. I tried to just enjoy the moment this evening, and I think I managed to... It's so hard to me. I'm trying to do what Grace (I think) suggested, to try and put things in perspective, thinking what will be the importance of that bit in, say, 5 years, when DH pisses me off.

Good luck for all of us here! (specially the ones with real DV problems)

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