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Update from OP ** Title edited by MNHQ** Why did I have his (unplanned) baby?? Knew I didn't love him

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circlehead · 27/01/2011 15:25

I feel like I've really messed up. I realise how irresponsible this will sound (please bear in mind I was only 21 when this started):

I met DP 2 years ago and it was always apparent to me that this guy wasn't ''the one''. Our early relationhip was very lustful and exciting, mainly because we were living in different places so weekends would be spent in bed etc. He is an artist and as such can be moody/stubborn/opinionated. Somehow we ended up living together, because we both wanted to move to London. I did express at the time that I wasn't sure we were ready to move in together but this led to (our first) row. I realise now this was a red flag of his controlling nature and should have ended it then...but of course it was easier to agree with him than suffer his moods. A couple of months later, I was accidently pregnant (we were using contraception). As much as it was evident to me that I didn't want to be in this realtionship for the long haul and had in fact been thinking of ending it, I just couldn't bring myself to have a termination. I felt so fiercly protective of my baby, I couldn't even read about the process of an abortion, let alone go through with it. He was quite happy to have the baby from the start (minus a few wobbles) so we went ahead and I resolved to try and make the relationship work. (I should point out that he was happy with us, we obvs have v. different opinions on what a loving relationship is!!)

He was pretty useless throughout pregnancy, didn't read any books, spent the first few months saying he didn't want to be there at the birth (for a reaction and just to have the upper hand while i was vulnerable, my friend says - true?), every time we had a scan he would come but just go on about how he didn't like hospitals, I researched/bought ALL the baby stuff etc (with financial help from grandparents i must point out), the list goes on. I was trying to maintain a clean/tidy flat for us, but he's a messy pig and no matter how many times I explained it was getting difficult for me to do housework and he was going to have to make an effort to pick up after himself, it never changed.

And now we have a fantastic little boy (5 months) who I love to bits, and you guessed it, I do almost exclusively EVERYTHING for him. My DP enjoys playing with him but that is where it ends basically. I have been EB from the start, so I basically do all feeding, nappies, getting up, getting dressed, putting down for naps, bathtimes, washing, packing his stuff for when we go out/away... EVERYTHING morning, noon and night! my DP wouldn't even know where his vests are kept for example! I realise this is true is most relationships to some degree but ?!?! AND before you say leave him with baby for a day and let him see what it's like, DS won't take a bottle of EBM off him! (will everyone else though..)

On top of this my DP seems to expect me to keep on top of his laundry, the food shopping etc. He does cook a lot but that's as much as he does. The one thing that really irriates me is that aside from a few bits of self employed work (maybe a few days at a time every couple of months) he doesn't work. He is a fantastic musician and trying to launch his band, and has got ''investment'' - from his dad. So he basically lives off his dad's money. It has come up in rows so many times but he just says that I don't mind it when it's paying for my rent/occasional meal out etc.

He's just a spoilt brat and I feel like his mother most of the time (where's this/that/the other, why isn't my insert clothing here washed?) He seems to think because he is busy with his band (which I admit does involve many meetings/emails/lots of phonecalls etc) he is exempt from chores/babycare.

I'm actually starting to think he may be depressed (maybe post natal?) He has incredibly erratic sleep patterns, which he attributes to being creative, and sleeps in til nearly noon everyday/ goes to bed at 4am.

Anyway, the point is I told him a couple of
days ago that I don't love him but want to give things a last try (this almost feels like just going through the motions for his benefit when I know I want out.) He is really shocked and thought everything was just dandy (?? sure it is for him!!). He also said that he blamed DS, although I think he just said that for a reaction.

I just feel so ashamed of myself for getting this far with DP, knowing I should have broken it off before we even moved in together. I feel like I should have had a termination as now feel awful for dragging DS into it =( although as i said, I adore my boy to death. I realise that being a single parent isn't the end of the world but would have wanted a much better father for any children of mine and obvs for it to be someone i loved/respected. Although I have talked to my friends who support me, I am embarrassed to admit this stuff to my family.

So. What the hell do I do??! Actually I think i know the answer to that one, so rather - how the hell do i do it?

Thanks for reading my massive post...

Thread title has been edited by MNHQ as OP has posted an update...6 years on! And it's worth a read.

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2011 21:10

I will be thinking of you

LoveMyGirls · 10/02/2011 21:25

I've come to this very late but wanted to say you are doing the right thing!

Walking on egg shells is no way to live for the rest of your life. He doesn't deserve you. Happier times are ahead. Fab that your dad is such a rock.

violetwellies · 10/02/2011 21:52

And see a solicitor re NOT allowing this looser to have access to your son - or even worse his mother getting access (do this quickly) and if he threatens you at all - keep a record ~& tell the police.
Dont let your Dad touch him if he turns up - phone the police tell them you think he's on drugs and you are frightened that he will hurt your son - quote suicide threats if necessary.

itsnotjustaslap · 10/02/2011 22:40

Hi circlehead

I'm like you too. I'm married to a manchild who actually has been physically violent to me as well (I have been posting in the relationship section).

Like your partner, my manchild reveres his mother and can do no wrong in her eyes. I asked her for help when it became apparent recently that the violence against me was escalating and she told me that 'if my story was true, she did not condone the violence; however she would always be on my husband's side. I never heard from her since about this topic and she refused to speak with me.

I love my son, but if my son's partner ever came to me for help because my son was being a shit I would fecking bollock him.

I feel so, so bad when my son hurts another child, but he is not even two, and he does not do things intentionally. My husband is almost 35.

Manchild relationships don't work. I could have written most of your op (except mine has the additional domestic violence and abuse).

My husband wants to change and he may well do that, but it's a shame that I had to be his practice relationship. Hope you and your son get out soon

mathanxiety · 11/02/2011 00:58

OMG, my ex reveres his Mother too. I hate his mother almost more than i hate him. Almost. When he was hospitalised for major depression, including suicide threats, while we were still married, she told me some doctor in the hospital had told her there was nothing wrong with her son but a bad marriage. Yeah right...

No matter how much a man like this may want to change (or more likely cling desperately to the woman he has been taking for granted or even abusing for a few years) he has to ride roughshod over a very twisted woman to do it (his mummy). And I personally wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Not while the mummy in question is fighting tooth and nail for her warped relationship with her golden boy. Most people take a few decades to grow up. These men are not going to accomplish that in the space of a few short weeks on some course...

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madonnawhore · 11/02/2011 08:36

Good luck! Talk to you on the other side!

NoobyHoHoHo · 11/02/2011 08:46

Good luck for this morning. Will be thinking of you with my fingers crossed for a smooth easy exit. Be safe.

BlueFergie · 11/02/2011 08:57

Good luck circlehead. Let us know when you are at your dads. Onwards and upwards!

NicknameTaken · 11/02/2011 10:10

Thinking of you today, circle.

briefcasewanker · 11/02/2011 11:06

Good luck. x

BrokenBananaTantrum · 11/02/2011 13:19

been thinking of your today. hope everything goes to plan. x

circlehead · 11/02/2011 13:33

wow, what a response!

I am at my dad's!! I have got laptop, passport, DS birth cert, CVs, references, P45, educational certs. Can't believe I packed it all, must have been autopilot.

Still crapping myself about talking to DP. But feel a bit stronger now I'm away. Just been going over and over what to say. Going to write down key points so won't get stuck on the phone. How to start convo?!

Thinking of leaving it for today and just relax and enjoy being here, deal with it tomorrow, what do you think?

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BlueFergie · 11/02/2011 13:52

Oh brilliant...so pleased you are safely at your dads.

If you can relax and enjoy being there without ringing him them by all means leave it until tomorrow, although I know I wouldn't be able to. Just don't weaken thinking that it wasn't that bad once you are away from it.

Definitely have key points written down. Do not deviate from them. Once you have made them get off the phone. Examples
Its not working. I don't love you. I won't change my mind.
I won't stop you seeing DS once I think you are rational enough to have him. We will make arrangements when you are less upset.
If he threaten s to kill himself, tell him that you can't stay in a relationship that you are miserable in just to stop him being miserable. Tell him he his not your responsibility.
Ring his Mum if you are worried. Let her deal with the manchild she created.
Make sure your Dad is with you and make sure he knows that too, so hopefully he won't call over.

Good luck and well done again x

BrokenBananaTantrum · 11/02/2011 14:12

I'm really glad you are safe Smile. Ring him when you are ready. You deserve a bit of time to relax.

BlueFergie has good advice.

superv1xen · 11/02/2011 14:15

wow. just read the whole thread!

you have done the RIGHT THING!

it has similarities to my story, i was with one of these man children, accidentally got pregnant, he was a complete arse to me the whole time i was pregnant, and once DS arrived he did FUCK ALL, just left everything to me, while pissing about in his band and on his playstation etc Hmm

i left him when DS was a few months old. and the few months after i left him were honestly the most happy and life changing times i have ever had. the freedom was thrilling, only having to look after myself and the baby was amazing after years of running round after this "man"

4 1/2 years after gettig rid of this useless waste of space, i am happily married to a fantastic, gorgeous man who is the OPPOSITE of everything my ex was, he took on DS like his own and we also now have a DD together who is nearly 2 :) so i just wanted to tell you my story and let you know that you WILL be happier on your own, and one day you will find someone so much better than your dp (or ex dp)

much love.x

mathanxiety · 11/02/2011 15:00

Circlehead, is there some 'Consider yourself dumped' song you could somehow send to him?

Otherwise, I would open the conversation by saying you have something important to say, that you request he listen carefully, and then say simply that you have left him and that you are not going to discuss this over the phone.

I would tell him how you can be reached (preferably email so you have a record of any threats of self harm, etc., and because people are generally more rational when they have to type a communication) and that you will try to answer email within two days of receipt.

Then I would put the phone down.

Any suicide threats? Call the police immediately.

NicknameTaken · 11/02/2011 15:37

Agree with math. Don't get stuck into a lengthy conversation on the phone. You won't get him to "see the light" and he might be able to manipulate you into feeling sorry for him and making promises you wouldn't otherwise make (eg. about seeing baby immediately). When he starts getting wound up on the phone (because he probably will), it's fine to say that you'll talk again when ihe's calmer. And yes, math is right - having stuff on email is very, very useful.

AnyFucker · 11/02/2011 17:23

Very good advice from Math

Glad you are safe, OP

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ScarlettWalking · 11/02/2011 19:38

Oh well done you. Welcome to your life it starts now.

circlehead · 11/02/2011 20:42

Fuck, so nervous. Thinking about ringing him tonight as can't relax/concentrate on anything. Have written my notes! He's been texting me today saying he hates it when me and DS are gone, talking about getting a bloody dog! How can he be so blind to my stress and dispair?? He is so ignorant.

This is the hardest part now, MUST NOT chicken out. It's just the final hurdle. Cannot come this far only to back down.

Feel sick.

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AnyFucker · 11/02/2011 20:45

Hope you are ok

Do not back down now

pickgo · 11/02/2011 20:52

Hope the call went well CH. x