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If he won't talk

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Adriane · 20/01/2011 14:54

I feel cheeky posting as I'm not a regular, but I've lurked long enough to know the advice will be sound. I'm driving myself loopy trying to deal with this alone.

What do you do if your gut instinct tells you that something is amiss, you ask upfront and your dp carries on as if the words were never spoken?

We've been together for 13 years. Our dc is 8. He's always been my best friend. He does the whole male-thing of bottling his emotions, but normally, if I ask, he tells me what is troubling him and we sort it out.

The last few months have been strained. It seemed to happen overnight. Over a weekend in fact. His job means he works away. On this occasion, someone rang in sick so he had to cover. He was fine when he left and a different person when he came home.

I asked him at the time and he started to blame me for financial decisions we'd made together. How he can no longer afford to change his car once a year or buy designer suits. He hates being poor.

We're not poor by any stretch. We have less disposable income, but we're not poor. I asked him what he wanted to do and he said he was resigned to poverty.

He's been detached since. There's no affection coming from him. I have to ask for any morsel of attention from him. It's breaking my heart. He acts like a friendly stranger.

I ask him and ask him if he's okay, if we're okay and he just ignores it. I wonder sometimes if the words disappear in the air between us. He'll chatter quite pleasantly about the mundane and functional, but nothing more. We're like two people at a bus stop.

This week has been bad. Day after day of silence. In the end I broke and told him I was leaving to think things through. No reply. Then a few hours later, he sent a breezy text about how he was heading home and how cold the weather was.

I don't understand. Is he having some kind of breakdown? Is he hiding something? What do I do?

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GingerbreadGiraffe · 30/01/2011 09:15

Hi I've not posted before on your thread but have been following it.
Hope today goes well for you at his parents.

Adriane · 30/01/2011 09:34

Thanks GingerbreadGiraffe, but I decided against going.

He texted yesterday to ask if I wanted him to take DD today. We'd previously agreed that we'd talk on Sunday (today); I queried this with him and he was 'well if you want to'. Followed by 'Mum wants to know if you're coming for dinner.' I've asked him a couple of times about his plans for the coming week (seeing as he only took an overnight bag when he left). His reply is 'I hadn't thought'.

I've had enough for now. I'm not playing anymore. I'll speak to him about DD as and when, but otherwise, I'm simply going to get on with my own life. He needs to man up.

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ItsGraceAgain · 30/01/2011 10:08

Blimey, Adriane. I'm relieved that you've decided to stop letting him give you wrinkles! Well done for not playing along with his family conference charade. But what are you going to do when he shows up, announcing he'll "give you another chance" (to do his washing)?

Adriane · 30/01/2011 10:21

He'll give me another chance?? Gosh! How magnanimous of him. No, no, no. Grin

He was my best friend and I miss him terribly, but it'd take much more than giving me another chance to fix what's been broken. I couldn't even be his friend at present. His washing is currently in a plastic carrier in the hall, waiting to be collected with DD.

I need to get it fixed in my head that this is all one day at a time. My tendency is to panic if I don't know what the future holds. I can cope with surprises, but have to have a sense of direction. I have to know what I'm doing. I don't have that right now. It's so scary.

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Adriane · 30/01/2011 10:24

Unwashed, I hasten to add. I figured he might need some shirts for next week. His mum can wash them.

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GingerbreadGiraffe · 30/01/2011 11:17

Hi
you sound very strong today. His total denial of the situation is unbelieveable.

It's as bad as him shouting and verbally abusing you IMHO.

As he been to get dd yet?

How are you feeling. ?
GBG x

christmaswishes · 30/01/2011 12:24

Hi adriane,

It is awful. He has treated you v badly.

Just wondering do you think about asking the ow ? Or bluffing your partner and saying your going to have it out with this woman if he doesn't come clean. Put the pressure on and he will crumble with truth. I would put pressure on him to own up. A lot of men can't cope with the pressure so you might get some answers.

Also how can you trust him ever again. He did it years ago and now again. There's really nothing left. It seems that he gets bored easily then goes to other women for a change bit of excitement. But can you lIve like this? Knowing just around the corner he will do it again and again?
If there's no trust you really don't have a relationship. You will find someone who values you.

threefeethighandrising · 30/01/2011 23:55

Adriane letting go is so hard, especially of the person who has been your best friend.

FWIW when my partner of 10 years cheated, I knew in my heart what he'd been up to - the only proof I had was that he'd gone somewhere with this woman (I'd known her for years Sad). He refused to admit anything hadactually happened even though we were splitting up anyway. A well-meaning friend actually locked the pair of us in his house in an attempt to get is to talk! All I had to say to him was "admit it" and he wouldn't, so I just ended up watching the TV and ignoring him, until my friend let me out.

Eventually, days later, he admitted that they'd got as far as the bedroom, but then he'd thought of me, and couldn't go through with it. Hmm Which I believed for about 3 minutes, then realised it was a total crock of shit.

Eventually, he did admit it. It took about 2 weeks. (They were still seeing each other all of that time).

I don't know why he took so long to confess. We were so obviously splitting up anyway. I think he just didn't want to deal with it, and tried to weasel out of it when confronted, with no regard to the obvious fact that stringing it out was it was making it worse.

In retrospect our relationship had been over for a long time, but because we had been so close for so long, it was really hard - for both of us - to let go.

I'm so glad we did though, as with the benefit of hindsight I can see how dysfunctional that relationship was, and I'm so glad to be out of it.

Of course I may be projecting - and my sincere apologies if I am - but it does seem, from the outside, with the limited information I have from this thread - that this relationship is over really, but that you are finding it hard to actually let go.

"The reasons he's giving for leaving the relationship are so trivial (it is complaints about how we hang up our coats and where we leave our shoes), it would be such a waste to throw away our lives on them. He's fixating on the little things that annoy him and not on the positives of what we have."

He sounds to me as if doesn't want to focus on the positives.

Do you think it might be possible that he wants you to do the leaving, so he doesn't have to face up to what he's been up to?

Do you think it's possible that you are still treating him as the man you thought he was - not the man that he has proved himself to be? Do you really want to fix things, really?

I totally understand the feeling that you don't want to chuck away all those years together, but really you deserve so much better than this. Your judgement is being clouded by the tragedy of what he is chucking away - but you can't change it by being more accommodating to him, or by "working it out". The truth is it's not working. IMO he sounds immature, and not at all committed to this relationship.

I mean could you even consider throwing away your relationship with your DD because she and your DP were a bit messy?! It's inconcevable isn't it?! He's either totally shallow (unlikely IMO) or making excuses.

You say " I have to know what I'm doing. I don't have that right now. It's so scary." Be gentle on yourself, it's early days. Your life has just been thrown upside down. You're doing all the right things IMO, you will get there. Like you said, one day at a time. Things will become clearer.

There is a future out there, past this bit, where you and DD are settled, happy, and you are genuinely glad you didn't waste any more of your life in this relationship. More than that - in this future, you are no longer defined by this relationship, you have moved on; other, more important things matter to you and make you happy.

It may seem like an impossibility now (it did to me back then) but it's not, it's yours for the taking. You just need to get through this bit first.

Sorry for the essay! I hope at least some of it is helpful.

threefeethighandrising · 01/02/2011 10:29

How are things today? I hope you're OK.

Adriane · 01/02/2011 21:52

Thank you so much, threefeet. I'm okay for now. I just need to let things sink in for a few days.

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ItsGraceAgain · 01/02/2011 22:56

Wishing you well :) It's hard, isn't it?
It sometimes helps to do a few things you're not 'allowed'. Eat pizza with your fingers? Wear outdoor shoes indoors? As long as it makes you feel free!

WimpleOfTheBallet · 12/02/2011 16:34

I wondered how you were Adriane...you popped into my head today...hope you and DD are ok. Smile

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