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If he won't talk

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Adriane · 20/01/2011 14:54

I feel cheeky posting as I'm not a regular, but I've lurked long enough to know the advice will be sound. I'm driving myself loopy trying to deal with this alone.

What do you do if your gut instinct tells you that something is amiss, you ask upfront and your dp carries on as if the words were never spoken?

We've been together for 13 years. Our dc is 8. He's always been my best friend. He does the whole male-thing of bottling his emotions, but normally, if I ask, he tells me what is troubling him and we sort it out.

The last few months have been strained. It seemed to happen overnight. Over a weekend in fact. His job means he works away. On this occasion, someone rang in sick so he had to cover. He was fine when he left and a different person when he came home.

I asked him at the time and he started to blame me for financial decisions we'd made together. How he can no longer afford to change his car once a year or buy designer suits. He hates being poor.

We're not poor by any stretch. We have less disposable income, but we're not poor. I asked him what he wanted to do and he said he was resigned to poverty.

He's been detached since. There's no affection coming from him. I have to ask for any morsel of attention from him. It's breaking my heart. He acts like a friendly stranger.

I ask him and ask him if he's okay, if we're okay and he just ignores it. I wonder sometimes if the words disappear in the air between us. He'll chatter quite pleasantly about the mundane and functional, but nothing more. We're like two people at a bus stop.

This week has been bad. Day after day of silence. In the end I broke and told him I was leaving to think things through. No reply. Then a few hours later, he sent a breezy text about how he was heading home and how cold the weather was.

I don't understand. Is he having some kind of breakdown? Is he hiding something? What do I do?

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malinkey · 27/01/2011 12:40

Whatever happens, it's got to be better living on your own than with this man.

Can you talk to a solicitor?

blinder · 27/01/2011 12:41

Adriane in that case, can you and DD leave?

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:42

How shallow. I'm so sorry.

It may seem impossible now, but you will get to a time when you look back on this and are glad to be shot of him and his lies.

This bit is acute, painful, but you will start to recover afterwards, and get stronger.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:48

You'll need to find out

  1. your legal position

Here's Shelter's page on relationship breakdown

  1. Whether there is any chance for an amicable agreement on the house. You say you think you have a right to say if it sells - presumably so does he? This means you will need to agree,somehow, what happens.

If you sold and split the money, would that be a good option for you? Would you buy or rent somewhere for you and DD?

Just thinking laterally, if he does move out, could you afford the mortgage with a lodger?

OutOutLetItAllOut · 27/01/2011 12:49

hey, just read this.
how are you today?

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:49

I have to go out now, but I'll be back in a bit.

Wishing you strength to get through today Smile

BelleBelicious · 27/01/2011 12:53

Adraine

You are not screwed. Please go and see a solicitor. Find the name of a good one, take some money out and go and see them. You need legal advice here.

DO NOT believe what your excuse of a partner tells you about your financial circumstances. You may well be a little worse off financially if you split up, but you will be happy, and healthy and he needs to continue to pay for the support of his DD.

blinder · 27/01/2011 12:58

Well said Belle

Adriane · 27/01/2011 15:22

My dad's gone to collect DD from school. Thank you so much for the advice and support. I'm a little calmer now.

I've managed to log into the bank and the savings account isn't as healthy as I thought. There's about £1k I can't account for, but the rest of the missing money looks to have been spent on the house repairs. Shit. It's not worth transferring out the bank. There just isn't anything left.

I don't quite understand why P hasn't left before now. The OW isn't an unknown entity. It's not as if he's been getting to know her and was dithering while he weighed up his options. I've found some other bits on his computer that suggest he's been pursuing an EA with her for the last couple of years, at least 18 month prior to us buying the new house.

When I forced things to a head last week, he balked at the idea of us splitting and suggested we go through the whole farce of listing what we could do to improve our relationship. All those lies. Why would you do that?

I genuinely hate him for what he's doing.

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threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 15:32

Perhaps he's gutless. Although he wants the thrill of an affair, he wants the security of home too, and doesn't have the courage to actually leave.

However that's just speculation.

What is clear though is that if it's been going on for so long, he's been used to lying to you for ages.

You say also that he usually bottles his feelings. Perhaps he lacks the courage to deal with his feelings - for some people the first instinct when cornered is to lie - perhaps he was simply buying himself more time before having to come to terms with the fact that his fantasy that he could have his cake and eat it is being shattered.

Again this is pure conjecture.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 15:34

You sound like you are being amazingly strong BTW.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 15:39

From the little I've gleaned about the OW here, she sounds like a self obsessed cow - probably really quite insecure - who seeks validation by knowing that men are after her (even married ones). I mean, the fact that she appeared when you started dating speaks volumes IMO. A decent person would have backed off and let him get on with his new relationship. She sounds toxic (and, well her current behaviour certainly verifies that).

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 15:40

Sorry I'm not sure if that's helpful - just Angry on your behalf!

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 15:42

Do you have any equity in the house BTW?

You say you stretched to buy it, but if you sold and split it, would there be money for a deposit for you?

snowpoint · 27/01/2011 15:55

Just caught up with this. Oh God, you poor thing. Sending you a big hug. Have been almost exactly where you are, so many spookily similar details, and it's horrible.

Let him go. Let him go to her and see what the reality of life with someone like her is. You deserve infinitely better, and in time, you'll find it. I did, and it's so much better than the half life I had before.

One step at a time. Survive the first few days, then over time it will get easier, I promise.

Adriane · 27/01/2011 15:57

That's pretty much how it was last time. All about the thrill. And it was oh-so-tragic when it finished. Hmm

That affair was short-lived and ended within a week of being exposed. I found out, threw him out, told his parents. He went away for a mini-break with her and ended up leaving on the second day as he realised he didn't like her that much.

However, there followed 6 months of intermittent texts and emails as OW1 felt responsible and wanted to help us through our issues. She used to send me self-help books and tit-bits on how to keep my man happy. She gave him crystals and mantras to say in the mirror about what a big strong man he was. She was fucking barking, that one.

OW2 is different. I'm absolutely destroyed that it's her.

He was so infatuated with her the first time around. She broke his heart. There's no chance that she'll ever live up to his idealised image of her, but I'd never win in a fight with her. He would never hear a bad word said against her, but then would tell me that while it was fantastic sex, they never had a proper conversation. The few times they left the bedroom, they would bicker and argue as her demands were too high. I feel like shaking him.

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StuffingGoldBrass · 27/01/2011 16:03

It doesn't matter who she is or what she does, Adriane. What matters is that your P is the type of man who wants one woman for domestic service and childcare and another (or several others) for sex and he is never going to change.
He may well refuse to leave the family home because (and this is important) he simply doesn't think you are a person. You're a 'woman' and therefore you (and his various OWs too) are poor seconds to his primary relationship, which is with himself - he expects you to put up with the situation and carry on servicing him because that's what women are 'for' in his opinion.
Check with a solicitor first but I am pretty sure that it's possible for you and DD to move into rented accommodation without giving up your legal rights to the house ie if he won't leave then it would honestly be better for you and DD to do so than live in a warzone.

Adriane · 27/01/2011 16:05

Thank you. I'm not strong. I'm in bits and scared stupid. I just know I can't go through this again and will go through it again and again and again if I stay with him.

I was going through the photos earlier and we were so happy. There's nearly a daily record of our lives there, going back to when DD was born. It just stops around October time. It's like we ceased to exist as a family.

Equity - erm, no. He overpaid for the house. We bought of a lady whose husband ran off with the next-door neighbour. She had 3 young children plus a babe-in-arms. P felt sorry for her, I think and he was tired of the whole buying-selling lark. I told him what the limit for the house was. He agreed over it. We probably lost 1/3 of our equity straight off. Even if we get a decent price for it now, we'll be 2/3 down. I suspect to sell at all we'll have to let it go for the amount we owe on the mortgage. Nothing is selling. My friend's house has been on the market for 9 months and she hasn't had a viewing yet.

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Adriane · 27/01/2011 16:12

SGB - that makes him sound far more alpha-male than he actually is. Smile There's an awful lot of truth in what you say, but no-one would recognise your description as being like him. He like to be a 'nice' guy. He tends to over-romanticise situations. He's just a bit of a twat, to be blunt.

It looks as if DD hasn't gone into meltdown at the prospect of another stop over with her grandparents so I'm going to soak in a bath for a while. I want to make sure I don't look like a wrung-out dishrag when he shows up. Chin up, tits out, dignity, right?

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ItsGraceAgain · 27/01/2011 16:15

Wow, Adriane, he seems to have a very tenuous link with the real world ... I'm sorry to hear that about your house. It's not surprising you're in shock, and everything looks bleak right now. Please remember to eat! Lean on everyone you can trust, and try to keep your mind on practical things for now. A visit to a solicitor and/or the CAB will give you a clearer picture of your options, so you know which way you're going.

Are you going to stay with your parents?

sueperlative · 27/01/2011 16:16

Please see a solicitor, even a free half hour consultation

knowledge is power, you will feel stronger when you know where you are financially and legally

please see a solicitor, what harm can it do

ItsGraceAgain · 27/01/2011 16:17

Ah, yes, you are :) Good! x

Vondo · 27/01/2011 16:20

Adriane

Just read through all of your post and my heart goes out to you. Your gut instinct was right and he really does sound like a man that is completely swept away with the idea of this woman rather than her - not that it makes it any easier.

Your right, chin up, tits out and keep your dignity. He is the one that will lose out this situation (of his own making) - you have to look to the future for you and your daughter. Him - well, he's made his bed he can go and lie in it.

Best of luck

StuffingGoldBrass · 27/01/2011 16:32

Adriane: whiny, passive, 'gentle' men can be just as selfish and inclined to harem-keeping as chest-beaters. It's the selfishness and self-obsession that fuels the idea that women exist to run round after him meeting his needs.

mummylouise · 27/01/2011 17:34

Adriane

RE: Legal stuff i can advise a little , but i need a bit more info. Firstly which country do u live in. English and Scottish law varies on family law.

You have been in this relationship for 13 yrs a significant amount of time and u do have rights. It is good the house is in joint names. You will be due money for ur child based on ur partners income and money for u is not out of the question. Bank accs, insurance policies, pensions u r due money from these.
C a solictor, call one most offer basic advise free.
Hope this helps.
It will get better.