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If he won't talk

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Adriane · 20/01/2011 14:54

I feel cheeky posting as I'm not a regular, but I've lurked long enough to know the advice will be sound. I'm driving myself loopy trying to deal with this alone.

What do you do if your gut instinct tells you that something is amiss, you ask upfront and your dp carries on as if the words were never spoken?

We've been together for 13 years. Our dc is 8. He's always been my best friend. He does the whole male-thing of bottling his emotions, but normally, if I ask, he tells me what is troubling him and we sort it out.

The last few months have been strained. It seemed to happen overnight. Over a weekend in fact. His job means he works away. On this occasion, someone rang in sick so he had to cover. He was fine when he left and a different person when he came home.

I asked him at the time and he started to blame me for financial decisions we'd made together. How he can no longer afford to change his car once a year or buy designer suits. He hates being poor.

We're not poor by any stretch. We have less disposable income, but we're not poor. I asked him what he wanted to do and he said he was resigned to poverty.

He's been detached since. There's no affection coming from him. I have to ask for any morsel of attention from him. It's breaking my heart. He acts like a friendly stranger.

I ask him and ask him if he's okay, if we're okay and he just ignores it. I wonder sometimes if the words disappear in the air between us. He'll chatter quite pleasantly about the mundane and functional, but nothing more. We're like two people at a bus stop.

This week has been bad. Day after day of silence. In the end I broke and told him I was leaving to think things through. No reply. Then a few hours later, he sent a breezy text about how he was heading home and how cold the weather was.

I don't understand. Is he having some kind of breakdown? Is he hiding something? What do I do?

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threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 11:10

I know what you mean about the acting normal. My most recent (but complete arsehole) ex would do that. It's really wearing actually, isn't it?!. He would do something completely outrageous, I would be quite rightly pissed off, and then he would act as if nothing had happened. It was bizarre, but actually quite effective (for him) as often I would drop the subject eventually because it was just too exhausting to have to keep bringing it up. (In retrospect that was the wrong thing to do, I should have just left him then, but that's easy to say now.)

blinder · 27/01/2011 11:32

Just found this thread. How are you OP?

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:00

Please help me. I don't know what to do.

I found an email, registering for an online store hidden away on his computer. It contained a username and password so I logged into the account. His details were listed as the account holder. Her details were listed as the delivery address. I know her. She knows me. She knows we have a child.

She's an ex-fling of his from just before we met. They had a short-lived, rather sordid affair when he was very young. She was married. Her husband was cheating. She exacted her revenge on the husband by fucking DP in her marriage bed every lunch time. He was about 19. It lasted a couple of months, then she ended it to give her marriage another go. She's had 2 further husbands since.

DP never really got over her. He didn't know her long enough to lose that idealised view of her. She broke his heart when she dumped him. She came crawling out the woodwork when we started dating and tried to lure him back to bed. He turned her down. A couple of years ago, she started working at the same company as him. He bumped into her in the staff canteen one day. He told me, said she hadn't aged that well, but was still lovely. I told him steer clear. He reassured me that I had nothing to worry about.

I rang him and told him I knew it was her. He didn't admit, he didn't deny it. He didn't even sound concerned. I could have been ringing to say the milk hadn't been delivered. So cold. How can you spend 13 years of your life with someone and be so cold? Judging by the date on the email, he must have upstairs buying her slutty clothing while I was downstairs with DD.

My mum has told me to sit tight. She thinks I'm in shock as I can't get warm. My teeth are chattering, I'm shaking. She's going to send my dad over to collect DD from school.

I'm in absolute bits. I knew there was something, but... how can someone lie like that? He insisted on this all singing, all dancing Christmas for the entire family, even though I was so ill. Our first Christmas in our new home and it had to be perfect. Happy families. I got up at 4 am to cook the bloody thing.

I hate him. I hate him so much.

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blinder · 27/01/2011 12:07

I'm so sorry Adriane. Others with better advice than me will be along shortly. But can you withdraw any money from your bank accounts today?

I'm glad your mum is with you. You probably are in terrible shock. I'm so sorry this has happened. Well done for finding the evidence.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:09

Oh Adriane, I'm so sorry. Let me give you a big hug.

I know it hurts, this is awful.

What you need to do immediately is look after your own needs. Is there someone who can come and be with you?

Although obviously it's not what anyone would have wished for, at least you know now. And it's easier to ask for help from friends now you have concrete evidence he's cheating.

DO you have any RL support? Will your dad stay with you after he's picked up your DD?

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:09

Good advice on withdrawing the money. Do it now.

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:14

My mum isn't with me. She's in work. My dad is heading over to sit with me until it's time for the school run.

The money in the joint is just for bills and direct debits. If I withdraw that, the mortgage won't get paid. The savings are all online. They're in joint names, but I can't remember the password. I did have it. I never check them as they just tick away in the background. There's isn't much in them. We've just moved house. It wiped us out.

Fuck, fuck, fuck.

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threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:14

What you need to do once the initial shock has died down a little is make a plan for getting him out of there, or you and your DD - whichever is best, and start making it happen.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:15

Who's name's is the house in?

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:17

Sorry, I'm going into full on practical mode, but actually I expect you need a chance to catch your breath and process what's happened?

If you like, I'd be happy to help you go through what you need to do, practically, if you think that would be useful, but only when you're ready Smile

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:18

Both our names. Thankfully, I insisted on a joint tenancy when we moved. We're not married and the solicitor suggested tenants in common, which would have given him a larger share of the property as he's the main earner. I think with the joint tenancy we have equal shares and he can't sell without my agreement.

There's about £5k in the savings, plus some money in the holiday fund.

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threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:18

Do you think maybe your DP is acting cold as he's being too gutless to face up to what he's done?

When is he due to come back?

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:20

Good your dad is coming over, what lovely parents you have Smile

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:22

That would be good, thank you.

I need him gone now. I need him as far away from me as it's possible to be.

I also need to wash my face before my dad gets here.

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blinder · 27/01/2011 12:25

Sorry I assumed your mum was there Sad.

Personally, I would still take the money out and just put it back in as required by direct debits. This seems like alot of work, but if your P did leave and withdraw the money you couldn't guarantee to pay those bills.

Sorry to focus on the money so much but now that he knows you know, he might try to protect his own position. And he has had much longer to prepare than you.

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Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:27

DP is cruel. He can be the sweetest, kindest man, but his core is cruel. He will never admit he's wrong. He can switch off his emotions. He'll blame all of this on me and my shortcomings and he will believe he is right. He can walk away from people and situations without so much as a backwards glance. I've seen him do it.

I don't know when he's due back. I don't know if he's even coming back.

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Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:29

If he starts messing with the money, I'll speak to his family. Their loyalty is with him, but they won't see DD hurt. They can control him.

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malinkey · 27/01/2011 12:29

I've read your thread and I'm so sorry to hear this. You must be in shock but at least now you know you weren't imagining things and you have the proof you needed to start dealing with this.

I am very angry on your behalf.

threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:33

OK, practical head back on.

I always find when negotiating anything it really helps to have a clear picture of what you want. So, before you talk to your DP it could help to think over how things might work and get an idea of what you want - rather than simply asking him what he's going to do about it. You don't necessarily need to lay your cards on the table, but I find it helps if I'm sure in my own mind what I want.

Negotiating might sound like a funny way to put it, but in a way that is what's about to happen - you and your DP will have to work out what happens next (or he can have it worked out for him perhaps!) and the important thing here is to make it work for you and DD.

Some questions to start with ...

He must accept it's over now you've found he's cheating surely. Do you think he'll go if asked?

Would you want to stay on in this house (if money was no object)?

If so, can you afford to stay on in this house under your own means?

marriednotdead · 27/01/2011 12:34

Adriane I've only just found this thread. So Sad for you.

You've some great advice here but I wanted to offer you a virtual hug.

I've been where you are and I promise it does get better. The shock is horrendous- Bachs Rescue Remedy would be a good companion right now. It helps dissolve some of that knot in your stomach.

Glad your parents are around, they sound just what you need Smile

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:34

This is all sex. He'll tell me it's love, but it's all sex. He has a certain predilection for the grubby and nasty, which has worn a little thin with me over the years. He's just found another avenue to exercise his preferences. I wonder if she knows he's just getting off on her plastic shoes and the foundation tidemark under her chin.

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threefeethighandrising · 27/01/2011 12:34

blinder, P is much better than DP here of course. Just using DP out of habit, but it does seem inappropriate.

blinder · 27/01/2011 12:37

You were right to listen to your instincts Adriane. At least the crazy uncertainty is over. He does sound cold and all his actions are now explained.

You sound like you are very strong, despite this horrendous situation. You've trusted yourself all along and been very clear-sighted about his behaviour.

Adriane · 27/01/2011 12:38

3fthigh, the last time he got caught, he moved out for a few days and then moved into the spare room as he was as entitled to live her as I was. It was quite nasty. He won't leave DD easily. It depends whether the OW will let him move in there.

I can't afford this house. I couldn't cover the mortgage, I couldn't afford the bills. He earns 5x my salary. He built his career while I looked after DD. We're not married. I'm so screwed.

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blinder · 27/01/2011 12:39

Threefeet yes it's difficult to know how to refer to some men. Angry

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