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Just a question really as I am curious..

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TLESinChristmasStockings · 22/12/2010 01:12

when does harmless flirting stop being harmless?

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TheBlessedVirginReality · 22/12/2010 11:05

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SheWillBeLoved · 22/12/2010 11:33

I don't get it. You don't see it as flirting, as you're 'just being yourself', so what is the problem? If male friends are treated just like your female friends, then why the 2 threads worth of worry about flirting? Xmas Confused

thumbplumpuddingwitch · 22/12/2010 11:37

It stops being harmless when someone else gets hurt by it, however unreasonable you might think they are being. If they feel "harmed", then it is no longer harm-less.

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 11:51

Guys can you just shove off a minute, OP has posted some useful and interesting stuff.

TLES, this comment stood out:

'Now my dad was a major flirt and we all knew it but he was totally dedicated to my mum and us children. My mum is in no way a flirt - they were total opposites. '

Also the bit about your never really getting on with women as well as men (same here).

Did you dad behave in a flirty way around everyone - including you? (I don't mean in a sexual way obv)

It sounds as though you have adopted your Dad's persona - you've learned it as a way of interacting, which is natural when a parent does it constantly. However it sounds almost as though you could have sensed your mum's disapproval of your dad, and thus you want to protect him, see your mum (women) as a threat to your loving relationship with your dad (your male friends, now) and want to maintain that 'friendship' above all else, which involves putting the women around them/you down (in their place) as you might have wanted to do to your own mum when she disapproved of your dad.

you're fighting a battle in your head, in your past. Standing up for your dad's way of behaving, and proving yourself the favourite.

You want their approval (also natural) but not the approval of the women.

Once you unravel your motives it can be easier to choose whether to continue or to adapt your actions to be more 'normal' or grown up or whatever.

Well done for being honest, it sounds like you do this flirting thing compulsively, but didn't really understand why. I hope this helps a bit - it isn't your fault, but only you can decide if it's worth continuing or not. Think about how other people really saw your dad...then transpose that onto how people might see you if you behave as he did.

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 11:51

(Sorry, first sentence directed at Reality and Shirley)

ScaredOfCows · 22/12/2010 13:19

OP there are men's women, and women's women. I know which one you sound like. Rein it in a bit eh, there's a dear.

TLESinChristmasStockings · 22/12/2010 16:50

This is ridiculous, I have never had many female friends as I just get on better with males even as a child. You would find me playing football rather than with dolls. Now I would rather be out with male friends who are just that friends than with female friends. Actually I have a few female friends but they are mainly bisexual and lesbians and not very womanly at all tbh.

Maybe I am a closet lesbian lol.

Nobody thought bad of my dad he had, like me, a large circle of friends we had regular contact with.

As for fighting a battle within myself well thats not right either.

As I said the OP was a question on the back of a chat with friends.

When does harmless flirting stop being harmless.

This was brought up among friends as one thinks her husband is having an affair.

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BiscuitNibbler · 22/12/2010 17:25

The woman butting in and "over taking" the conversation - this sounds like a pre-arranged get-out! He probably said when TLES starts flirting then come over and rescue me. Happens all the time. Men don't like confrontation, so he gets to look the good guy with all the eye-rolling, but in reality he instigated the interruption.

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:29

Ok, well I tried - amateur as I am. Your behaviour fits some patterns which appear obvious to me, but then, who am I to know.

You clearly don't want any analysis of the way you act, so I'll just say (while I can still be bothered to type) that flirting is horrible, it's harmful to a relationship and it's disrespectful.

I don't CARE why you do it but I think it's yuck.

and thankyou for your time and thoughtful replies, too.

babehunmug · 22/12/2010 17:32

This is, imho, an interesting article on flirting - seems it depends on your intent

www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1704684,00.html

Personally I don't think flirting is a good idea if you are in a relationship and want to remain in that relationship.

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:38

Would you be interested in what I'm saying if I pretended I was a bloke? Just a thought.

Or a lesbian.

Fwiw you sound totally in denial.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:38

OP, you know thiose women who "inerrup" your cosy chats with your menfriends ?

Are they the partners of said menfriends ? Xmas Hmm

You sound like a conceited nightmare, tbh, on his thread and the others where you bang on about all your male mates and what a "man's woman" you are

it's your atitude that gives real men's women a bad name...

I expect you think other women are jealous of you

I have news for you, actually

you are a joke

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:39

interrupt

my t key is fecked

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:43

It is really weird isn't it AF.

I grew up not getting on with women, not really having many female friends, preferring male company. I don't flirt though. I do have a laugh with men sometimes but not like that.

I don't prefer them as such, I just feel safer with blokes as my mother didn't like me, so I expect other women not to, as well.

My dad did like me, so I expect men to like me - not all of them, but the nice ones, while I never expect any woman to like me.

But I find the behaviour of the OP really cringey. I've had men expect me to flirt, and be nonplussed when I don't - but a lot of blokes will just talk to me normally without any flirting involved, just as a person iyswim.

You don't need to flirt to have male friends. that's what is so strange about this.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:46

flight, I like you

I am a woman last time I checked Xmas Grin

I don't much like the sound of OP, though

TLESinChristmasStockings · 22/12/2010 17:47

Biscuit considering I was discussing moving after he had asked me about the place I am moving to I doubt it was prearranged. I was not flirting, I was sitting at the bar holding a conversation.

But it is only hurtful if it is intended on being so surely?

If it is banter, a pint or 2, game of pool or just sitting having a chat as we do, them asking me relationship advice or what I think of this woman or that - although that can and has been misinterpreted as flirting by some i know Hmm, I don't see it as that.
I sit with female friends and have a drink, play pool, chat etc, basically all the same things which is why I don't see it as flirting.

I shouldn't have said I am a flirt as I really don't think I am I just treat male and female friends the same.

I have slept in the same bed as female friends and also male friends so why is that different?

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nogreatexpectations · 22/12/2010 17:47

Flirt or narcissist?
I have very few female friends, prefer male company, climbed trees and filled my pram with acorns but never a flirt.

Dh had a best friend just like you and eveyone in our crowd was very wary of her, guys they all shrugged it off but the girls were always very wary. Incidentally when the guys went on a lads night, I was invited but she stayed home.

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:52

So you don't flirt.

I'm really confused now.

So who told you you are a flirt?

And was your dad still a flirt or was he just having a laugh, too?

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:53

them asking me relationship advice or what I think of this woman or that - although that can and has been misinterpreted as flirting by some i know

yes, I thought that would be the case

you discuss/critique other women with your menfriends

do you have any female friends at all ????

I expect you are talked about by them, behind your back (and not in a good way)

TLESinChristmasStockings · 22/12/2010 17:54

I have many male friends and to me thats all they are. I worded it wrong when I said I am a flirt, I don;t see the things I do as flirting.

I don't swoon all over these friends, I sit with them and talk about all sorts. I laugh at with them if i find something funny, if i don't I would be more likely to grimace at them.

I meant that I have been called a flirt....

I don't think any woman would be jealous of me - I am far from anything special I am simply me and thats all. I am not one to be covered in makeup and short skirts etc but am more likely to be found in jeans and boots or trainers with a top.

And no the women are not partners of the men. some are married, some single, some in relationships, some have split up with friends of mine and some are gay. I treat them all the same. as i said even the women.

I suppose I could be accused of flirting with them as well.

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FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:55

thanks btw, AF! Xmas Grin I like you too! But you are not a woman, you are an internet pixie. Just to be clear

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:55

then why do you repeatedly ask the same question on here ?

you have asked it before, haven't you ?

did you not get the "correct" responses last time ?

FlightoftheCrimbleTree · 22/12/2010 17:56

Did your group of friends you were talking with last night tell you you are a flirt?

Why do they think that, if all you do is chat and have a drink with some blokes?

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 22/12/2010 17:56

I can assure you I am a "woman" Stanley

(quoting the great Hilda there, Corrie fact-fans)

Lydwatt · 22/12/2010 17:57

But it is only hurtful if it is intended on being so surely?

NO!!!! Its hurtful when its hurtful!!!