Ladies who don't mind their DP going to lap dancing clubs ....

[nappyaddict]

Do you mind them having a dance in a private room where even though touching is not allowed it is common for the girl to sit and dance cms away from their crotch/face?

So many posts talk about men feeling "entitled" to pay a girl for sexual or quasi sexual services. Well, guess what, anyone with money in their purse/wallet feels "entitled" to buy services off another human beings.

Do you think the "wonderful Marco" who does such amazing things with your hair at your hairdressers and compliments you all the while would be doing so without you paying him hard cash in return? Does that mean you are exploiting him and have a sense of "entitlement". Ever since money was invested, it conferred a sense of entitlement on the holder. Lapdancing is just another way of exchanging money for a brief ego stroke, in no sense different from the weekly hour with your acupuncturist/aromatherapist. I am sure that it is not just lapdancers who see clients as walking wallets.

erm, yeah, it's exactly the same as paying Old Terry £5 to give you a number 2 all over in a barber's shop in Bermondsey. Just the same

Nope,

Not Old Terry but not v different from the £70.00 paid for an aromatherapy massage at Champneys or somewhere like that.

marco probably is not doing my hair as a result of a short filled with sexual abuse

marco probably wasn't trafficked into toni+guy to cut hair

marco probably has other options

i know that this is not true for every woman in the sex industry, but it is true for many, and for this reason, 'hairdresser' is not the equivalent of 'lapdancer'

a short life that is

missed a word in the first sentence

Chibi,

Marco probably has limited other options. He is not brilliantly educated and not well connected. His only chance to make any money is hairdressing.

Do you think Marco loves these "entitled" ladies chatting about their pampered lives whilst he is living 20 miles away in a one bed rented place, while he has to nod, smile and pamper their egos?

Laqpdancing is (on the whole) not prostitution and most lap dancers have not been exploited. No two professions are exactly identical but I do feel there are similarities.

most lap dancers have not been exploited

how could you possibly know this?

Going back a bit, but I see on here a justification that some of the men who go to lap dancing clubs are the men who would otherwise be off harassing women in other clubs, therefore its better they are in lap dancing clubs. Of course - because its so much better for the world that they have somewhere to go where women being instantly available for their gratification is normal rather than them going to places where they get a clear message that that harassing women is unacceptable much much better

in a world which is not organised such that women are the sex class, where there is no longer oppression based on gender etc the decision to make a living by dancing naked for strangers might carry a different weight

when we get that world, i'll reevaluate my position

'>>>most lap dancers have not been exploited

how could you possibly know this?'

I have never met a lap dancer that didnt want to do it. I have a few in my close group of friends. Also same goes for telphone sex work. Sure there are some that are forced out there but I am yet to meet any. They come from the club in my town and the surrounding 4 towns/cities.

ALiceworld I was saying wy we thought of them as weirdos because they are. They are not allowed to harrass girls in strip clubs the bouncers used to chuck them out if they even tried to touch. They just sat there and the girls made money of them.

doubtless you mix with a wide cross-section of people who work in the sex industry

your group of friends will be small relative to the total number working in the sex industry

at any rate i am not convinced that that is enough to make sweeping judgements about what most of these peoples' reality is like

'doubtless you mix with a wide cross-section of people who work in the sex industry'

I have worked in 2 (one in my town permanently. I also did some shifts at the other one in the next town). I think they are a wide cross section of people as I met about 70 girls whilst I worked there. I socalised with a lot of them, and still do now. I also did telephone sex work myself and my best friend used to, as well as a couple of other people I know. I am yet to meet anyone that didnt want to do it. Its easy money for easy work.

Its not harming us and its just a service as larry states. Again different people dont see this type of thing as a big deal so dont see it as exploitation on either part.

I don't get the lapdance/hairdressing analogy. Or why paying women to "dance" in the semi-nude is an ego stroke? I refuse to believe that men are that stupid.

I go to the hairdresser for a haircut. What is the equivalent in the LDC scenario?

Sorry Larry but most people don't go to Terry the barber for sexual stimulation. Lapdancing is a sexual service despite what Peter Stringfellow claims:

Peter Stringfellow defends lapdancing

Aliceworld-in Newquay, the licensing committee recently defended lapdancing by saying it kept rapes down!

Snowflake you said -

"The men who they exploited are the type of idiots that go out in clubs and act like nobheads and try to pull you. The ones that came in and talked to the girls like normal and just saw it for what it was the girls liked. The kind of men that when they approach you in a club and try and pull you that you think are weirdos and tell them to get lost. I dont see anything wrong with thinking of those type of men like that as they are losers. Better to have them in a strip club than out pissing off people who are just out having a drink and dance with their mates."

I do not think it is a good idea that men who harass women are given a place to sit and see that their behaviour is actually OK and leads to women being instantly available for them. This reinforces their behaviour when they go to other places. Harassment does not consist just of touching.

Jess

Its instantly available because they are paying for it. You could go to a restaurant and a woman cook you a meal and you pay for it. That doesnt mean the person will go home and think all women must make me dinner whenever I want it.

So you were a sex worker then Sf? Explains a lot and your inability to see humans as people with emotions. Very damaging in society nowadays really.

Wonder why larry never answers the question? That to me speaks volumes - Snowflake your posts have revealed more about you than perhaps you realise - and explains why this 'industry' exists. Justify all you like.

One wonders what the next 20 years will bring - money talks after all.

I am actually married Lindon to a minimum wage worker lol.

Do you read the threads on Relationships boards where the men are pressuring the women into sex because they think that their wife should have be available to them whenever they want it, snowflake?

I wonder what kind of scenario could reinforce that view?

Burlesque, the middle class lap dance. I don't think it's a coincidence that more and more lap dancing clubs appear, along with lads mags and sexualisation of everything about Saturday night family TV. Each is reliant upon the other, what is happening to this country?

Emmyloulou - it is clear that you disagree with SF very strongly, but she does have every right to hold a different opinion. When all you have left is to drift into criticising her as a human being perhaps the debate has run it's course.

Actually Snowflake my money talks was not aimed at you but the fact that money allows humans to treat other humans in such a terrible way - and it's very interesting that you felt the need to post