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burying my head in the sand

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ostracized · 21/11/2010 23:56

Hi, have namechanged for this - don't even know if I have spelt "ostracized" right. Basically, dh and I had an argument almost three weeks ago and he has hardly spoken to me since. He has done this kind of thing before - namely once for 5 weeks two years ago. Then I was desperate for the sulking to stop and eventually got him out of it by "approaching him" in bed. This time however we are a lot more distant and angry with each other and don't sleep in the same bed. I am too pissed off with his general behaviour with me during normal times to approach him physically. This behaviour is fairly companionable but distant during the week and very critical and complaining at the weekends. To the point that I withdraw and become a shadow of my "during the week" self.

During this most recent bout of sulking I have been thinking why on earth should I force someone to talk to me who obviously doesn't want to, though the whole situation does make me sad. Plus we went to see his family this weekend and the sulking didn't stop him saying several critical lecturing things and being generally rude a few times. I was also called "pathetic" on friday. So it seems he can stop talking to me but also "interact" if he needs to Angry.

What worries me this time is that I fear that unless I make some move towards him, he will never talk to me properly again. He has a tendency to do this - he hasn't talked to my sister properly since they had an argument a year and a half ago and doesn't talk to two of his own sisters at all.

I clearly need to say to him that we need to go to counselling. If it was just us I could move on but we have kids. BUT I am scared of suggesting anything for fear of being shouted down. I don't feel I have the strength to deal with how upset I become if he starts being horrible.

Not saying I haven't contributed to the "relationship" being in the sorry state it is, but he is the one who is uncompromising, bossy, critical and complaining.

I clearly have to do something about this but there NEVER seems to be a good time. Dh CONSTANTLY on laptop working and he doesn't seem to care that things are crap between us.
There are lots of things I don't like about him at the moment and he probably feels my dislike, but I am not the one who is so difficult. I am far more laid-back and far less critical. Plus I would love to be able to talk about our non relationship, but he dictates what we can and can't talk about.

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dignified · 22/11/2010 00:02

Not speaking to someone for 3 weeks isnt sulking , its emotional abuse ,as is shouting you down and criticizing you.

Does he treat any men like this , or just women ?

ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:04

Well, he can also go a long time without talking to his brothers. They tend to be like that in his family - very separate from each other (though not from their mum or any of the grandchildren). They also don't mind prolonged periods of not talking to each other or knowing what they are all doing.

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AnotherMumOnHere · 22/11/2010 00:06

Sounds like me and my ex 20+ years ago. Im not saying you will end up like us but its better to have two happy separated parents than two unhappy 'together' parents.

Tortington · 22/11/2010 00:09

hes bullying you.

three options

dont talk to him and live lie this

try and change the behaviour and the way you communicate with each other through help

realise hes a twat you can live without

SlightlyJaded · 22/11/2010 00:12

The thing is, if you approach him (again), you are almost admitting culpability. He will take from this that he is allowed to continue to behave like this. Ostracising someone like this is a very nasty form of bullying - remember at school how it felt when you 'friends' decided that they didn't like you that week? And this is the person who is supposed to be your lover/husband/rock.

He has obviously got a history of behaving like this and is able to 'switch off' - perhaps because he is busy/stressed with work, he can put problems on the back-burner in a way that you can't. You need to make him realise that this is unacceptable to you. Fuck the right timing, tell him you need to talk and that you won't spend another weekend feeling like a shadow.

And if he won't listen or talk. Write him a letter - email him if you have to!

ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:13

I could live without him, but not sure I could live with not seeing the kids all the time if we were to separate... I clearly have to say to him that we need help but don't know how to build the courage up to do this!

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ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:15

sorry, missed your post SlightlyJaded. You're right, he is VERY able to switch off. I also agree with the admitting culpability thing. Yes I have to talk to him but see message above about not having the courage to do it!

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dignified · 22/11/2010 00:24

Talking to your H shouldnt be a scary prospect. Why would you not see the kids all the time if you seperated ?

Tortington · 22/11/2010 00:25

why would you not see your kids?

Tortington · 22/11/2010 00:27

this is a huge form of manipulation. I use it when my teenagers have royally pissed me off, it doesn't last more than a day though and is very infrequent, but i absolutley know what i am doing when i do it

ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:28

well I assume that like a lot of other couples we might split care 50/50 or something like that, which is actually quite a lot of days to be without them - don't think I could bear that
or that he could for that matter, which then makes me wonder why he seems to care so little about "us" (again, not saying that I haven't damaged the relationship in other ways as well)

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ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:30

yes I agree that it is manipulative behaviour and if we are ever going to talk then a lot of things like this would have to be discussed, but we would REALLY need a mediator or therapist for this and in the past he has been contemptuous of the whole relationship counselling thing

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Tortington · 22/11/2010 00:31

so he does 50% of the care at the moment?

SlightlyJaded · 22/11/2010 00:36

Ok, have re-read your post and agree that you shouldn't be scared of approaching your H with issues within the marriage - of course you shouldn't but... Such as things are - and he does sound very controlling - try approaching him at the 'least bad time' with an opening along the lines of

"I suspect you feel horrible about the way things are between us, I know I do. Let's try and sort this out so we don't have another miserable week/weekend"

It's probably a bit more than he deserves but if you can try and find a sympathetic way to open lines of communication you might make some progress (I am sure there are lots of books that could advise on how you do this better than me).

Because until you have The Conversation properly, I don't know that you can make a real judgement as to whether you want to stay and work on the marriage or not.

ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:38

well he works a lot from home at the moment so he could, I suppose if his work outside the home picked up then he wouldn't be able to - at weekends he does a lot of cooking because he enjoys it and wants to eat certain foods - I do all the school stuff and getting out of and putting to bed - looking after them is not as labour intensive as it used to be as youngest has gone to reception this year - they are 4, 6 and 9.

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ostracized · 22/11/2010 00:40

sorry, missed your msg again slightlyjaded - I think it's a good idea to deal with the things he is annoyed about as well (which he undoubtedly is, but then his general take on life is "outraged of london") - I do think it's ridiculous that the person I chose to spend my life with is the person I find it hardest to talk to about personal issues and LURVE as it were, not that I think there is any between us at the moment

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Tortington · 22/11/2010 01:05

yeah he could - but does he?

i'm just trying to get you to question your automatic assumption that he gets 50% childcare should you split.

dignified · 22/11/2010 01:12

I doubt any conversation is going to have any effect to be honest , the guy doesnt speak to you for weeks at a time , belittles you and dictates what is up for discussion. He sounds very controlling.

What do your dcs say about him not talking to you like this ? I would worry about what this is modelling for them.

You cannot change his behaviour , only your own , so i suppose your options are , find a way to cope with it / ignore it , or call it quits.

AnyFucker · 22/11/2010 01:55

he is a twat

nothing else to say really

but don't you dare "approach him in bed" as a strategy to solve this impasse, have a bit more self-respect than that

gardenglory · 22/11/2010 08:26

ostracised - that's what he wants. For you to have to use your 'feminine charms' to win him over. This helps to set up the dynamics of your relationship. The unequal dynamics. He is interested in your feminine charms obviously as a means of getting his needs met sexually as a man, but when he responds (as a man) it is just as a man, and not to do with nice emotions like 'caring/loving'.

Women do try doing this continually in these situations (I speak from experience) to constantly try to 'make it up' with her partner. But if you stop 'approaching him in bed' you will feel better about yourself and get a little pride back.

I know how 'soul-destroying' this behaviour is.

gardenglory · 22/11/2010 08:28

Maybe, you, as a person, are capable of ignoring this behaviour - the silent treatment. I find it very hard and end up losing my rag.

FreudianSlimmery · 22/11/2010 08:31

Write him a letter and give it to him at a moment you know he has time to read it.

gardenglory · 22/11/2010 08:33

Yes, he cooks because - he wants to, likes cooking and gets to cook and eat the things he wants.

gardenglory · 22/11/2010 08:34

Freudian - if he is not 'that bad' he will at least read the letter when he has time. But he may also refuse to read it, screw it up and ignore it.

gardenglory · 22/11/2010 08:35

Or he will read it and say - that is utter 'bullshit'.