How do you feel about prostitution?

[BillieH]

Hello everyone, I have name changed for this(no sinister reason) but i do post on here from time to time.

Anyway, I would love to know what your thoughts are on prostitution. I don't mean political views and I dont really want to get into a discussion on whether girls are trafficked, pimped, druggies. Just what you think as a whole.

I am talking about girls who willing become escorts or work in massage parlours under the guise of 'masseuses' when really they provide extras.

What do you think of men who see them? Are that losers, sad and lonely, 'sex addicts'or what? Would you think your dp/dh was cheating if he saw a prostitute.

I ask just out of curiosity, I do not think my dp has ever visited a prostitute! Also, apparently 1 in 10 men see prostitutes. Do you agree with this. If this is true what hope do we all have eh?

My take is that i belive some girls use their looks to earn money an 'easy' way. By easy, I mean that they do not have to train for yrs to get a decent paid job, or they do not have to work 9 to 5 in an office when they can earn a wks wages in a day.

I have asked my own dp and he beleives that there is something missing from a relationship if a man sees a prostitute.Obviously its different with a single man. He also thinks that some men have issues sexually with their wives/partners and are inhibited. Therefore, that is why they pay for sex acts that they can't ask for at home. These are exactly my thoughts.Anyone agree or disagree?

I'd like your thoughts or experiences!

MHM is reminding me of DP, that faux victim status. I don't know why people are being mean Gov' I only said I fuck for money and some of these men are married and these women in long term relationships with much higher self esteem said I was wrong.....boo hoo.

There is no place in the moral structures if society where a person sells sex. This only compounds the patriarchal society where men can lord more power over women, reducing that woman to firm/saggy tits, enthusiastic/lazy fuck, etc.

Sakura.....another great post.

"And these jokers think the women on here are jealous that prostitutes get to shag these lovely catches."

Would you please enlighten me and say when any of us have said as much?

""What do you call the wife of the client I had, who tearfully revealed how little concern his wife showed him?....the pain caused from the realisation she had married him purely for the material comforts he could provide."

What would I call him? a punter, a criminal, a misogynist. Perhaps she knew these things too."

Are you sayin that NO woman ever marries for money??

Escort....it's much more complicated than that. The proportion of men exploiting, raping and generally punishing their wives makes the women marrying for money a negligible fact. Those men who apparently have wives marrying for money get a lot in the exchange. To be honest I do not entirely believe that any western woman marries for money, most of us love our husbands. Seems to me that 'marrying for money' is another myth the world of prostitution justifies itself with. There aren't many men that have enough money to marry for, tbh, this is not the world in which most of us live. Ever wondered why the bf/dh/dp of a prostitute doesn't mind what she does? Ever wonder why you're not treasured enough? Are you not worth it?

I have a lot of respect for all women who have to work hard each and every day to look after their families.

However, I have no respect whatsoever for all those who run away from Life and take the easy way out to earn cheap money by selling their bodies.

All decent women abhor them.

escort perhaps you weren't here earlier in the thread when "visitors" WGs and punters were saying that wives hated prositutes because they were shagging their husbands.

What a backward way to think.

Wives don't stay with their husbands if they know he's a prostitute- user because they understand that if he regards women's bodies as commodities to be bought and sold. How can she believe that he cares about her when he is having sex with her? WHich woman wants to live with (or have sex with) a man who has such a misogynistic view of women?
That review section on Punternet had me hurling. I can see why these men can't get the sex they need for free.

Elisabeth what planet are you on?

escort yes there is small branch of feminism that likens marriage to prostitution because of the economic exchange that takes place with money flowing from man to woman in exchange for services and the exclusivity of her sexuality.

Many feminists disagree with this POV. I'm not sure what to think about it personally. It's a massive discussion.

I don't think that a man who enters a partnership with a woman, to have children with her, and create a life with her; someone to laugh and joke with; to look after when she's ill, has anything in common with men who think sex is something that can and should be bought.
NO, come to think about it, I don't think marriage and prostitution are can be equated at all.

I wonder how many of the wives of men who use prostitutes ( under the guise of "my wife won't have sex with me") have gone off sex because their husbands are pathetically inadequate in bed and couldn't satisfy a woman sexually if they even tried?
Women will only make an effort to please their man sexually if their man makes the effort too.

Why are mens' sexual needs a priority anyway? Women need and deserve good sex too.
Why is there only talk of disabled / socially inept men having the right to sex, what about all the disabled /socially inept women , is it fine that they are condemned to a life without sex?

I'm with Elisabeth on this, most decent women would do anything else to earn money, no matter how menial, rather than prostitute themselves.

have gone off sex because their husbands are pathetically inadequate in bed and couldn't satisfy a woman sexually if they even tried?

You know I think that sometimes that there is a little bit of truth in that, occasionally you do come across a guy that you think how does your wife put up with that, maybe she is relieved he goes elsewhere, I know of some rare cases, where couples have been together a while and got into a comfortable routine, they love each other and the companionship but she/he is totally turned off by each other and she/he recognises their needs and turns a blind eye to keep the family together. I have even had once a lady ring me up 'vetting' me for her husband, she had decided she was to choose his prostitute and had a long list of do's and don'ts.

Woman do need good sex also possibly why many many woman hook up with guys in a non paid situation behind their hubbys backs.
I wonder if we would be having this debate if male prostitution for females was as popular, ie a woman could not get it so easy.

What do you think of woman that pay for mens company? I know it is pretty rare but does happen, I have a partner I am willing to rent to you ladies, he is pretty hunky ;)

And you are also correct there are some woman that would rather starve than sleep with men for money, prostitution is not for everyone.

S x

Skimmed the thread and all it seems to me, is a load of hookers and their skanky punters have come on here, been calculated in gathering their mob from another forum then been deliberately inflammatory.

Then said boo-hoo you nasty mums and horrible wives have ishooos and are picking on us.

Do fuck off back to where you came from.

I can assure you there has been no 'ganging up'

If you have skimmed the thread, then maybe you can answer this point made...why the women who are members because they are mothers (they just also happen to be prostitutes), appear in eyes such as your's, to have no right to put their point across??

Sabrina Sweetie, have you gone mad??

It would be like feeding your man to the lions.... LPSUK x

Jean I think you sound a lovely lady with an very open mind.

Elizabeth, I really can not voice an opinion on you.

AF... well what can I say? You seem to have said it all, send my love to Shirley x

I will keep reading this thread, however I will not be posting on it anymore as I think it seems to be going round in circles.

Warm wishes.

I haven't been able to get back to this thread as my internet was playing up last night. I have just logged on and whoah!, what is going on?

What the hell is this BillieH/Lindilala/sequel nonsense? I have no idea whatsoever who these other characters are and why I am being mistaken for them.

I posted on here, not as a member of punternet, but as someone who had looked on punternet. I asked a perfectly valid question, which was aimed at the members of here. Instead, it has been taken over by(uninvited) members of punternet, who have come on here to take the piss.

I am not really interested in the prostitutes/punters POV as we already know their stance.

Btw the mumsnetter who mentioned how the reviews made her want to hurl- i agree. What woman would let a man write about her like that. Mind you,some of them pretend to love it. All giggles and hunni xxx.

You really are a strange person. I guess people get their kicks in different ways.

I wouldn't call you all of them names, you come across more as a 'Social Outcast' to me.

Was meant to send that last message as a private message. But heyho.

Warm wishes

Sadly, the blinkered and abusive posters won?t actually ever concede that there is a myriad of different forms of family living as opposed to the Daily Mail identikit. What is shocking is the level of abuse and vitriol shown to fellow Mumsnetters that have had the courage to stand up and declare their profession as sex worker. It is legal in this country and actually contributes an enormous amount to the tax coffers. You would foolishly think that as a fully paid up member of society you would have the right to be heard without vilification and medieval damnation.

Some people mentioned the potential dangers this profession can bring itself. The saddest irony is that we have the most to fear from so called respectable middle class women who outwardly appear the doyennes of respectability yet are the ones persecuting other women. One fellow WG who I adore, who studies and raises a kid alone (yep there are non prostitute wife stealing predators too) worked in a very ?respectable? profession. She escorted alongside very part time, well, until some very mean spirited people snooped around on the Internet. One wonders about the motivation to spend hours upon hours scowling the net for sex workers. The upshot was that she was outed and literally branded the village whore. She lost a well paying job she worked incredibly hard for and excelled in. There have been references to a braying mob, well that is what this poor women had to endure, including the gutter press trying to door step her. Sadly many of those that sprout such vile nasty accusations without the faintest ideas of the reality of our work love nothing more than follow it through with throwing stuff at her home and leaving dogs faeces at her door. These morally ?righteous? women also felt compelled to heap incredibly inappropriate abuse at her small child. Now she escorts full time and had to start from scratch elsewhere. I wonder who the real home wreckers are?

So 21 one pages on, this thread has clearly shown that a much larger portion of society and Mumsnetters works in the sex industry out of an informed choice. Those blinded by irrational hatred and bigotry have not tried to tackle their blinkered ignorance. But the most obvious conclusions to see is that everyone who came to the discussion as a sex worker had conducted herself with total dignity and shown incredible self respect. The ?good? morally outraged wives however have behaved with a total lack of basic human decency, have no respect for fellow posters and are resorting to infantile nursery bullying tactics as none had any rational and valid arguments to back up their equally irrational hatred. As much as you can try to knit some iron curtains, weave barbwire to force us into some Ghetto, we won?t wear your ignorant scarlet letters. Although a few posts sounded like a verbatim medieval anti witches rant, we are luckily now in the 21st century. Deal with it. As much as you try to keep your blinkers on, the real world is not like your Boden catalogues!

"So 21 one pages on, this thread has clearly shown that a much larger portion of society and Mumsnetters works in the sex industry out of an informed choice."

NO IT DOESN'T. What you spout on here is mythical nonsense which undermines the work of hundreds of charity workers to help victims of prostitution. I bake cakes for a charity that help street workers, they like homemade cake because it just may be the only time during their week they can feel like a human being. Now fuck off back to Twatternet and speak to those that want to believe this shit, the users and abusers.

.... Misshoneymoon, do fuck off you stupid twat.

Well, I rest my case. Sadly, you may be passing on your irrational hatred to another generation of bigoted people.

Posie, there is a (quite understandable tbh) reason they are so entrenched in their version of reality - it's purely a survival tactic - actually seeing the truth would prove far too painful I suspect.

And you may convince another abuser of women that he is justified and that coercion is a myth, they all love it really.....

Do you recognise the names? Irrational hatred? Oh pull the other one we're not Nuts mag readers you know, we're grown ups who live their lives with true conscience and consequence. You take no responsibility for the coerced, trafficked and vulnerable prostitute...none. You try and convince, you and punternet, that there is something noble about giving someone a hand job for money....shame on you.

Those women listed are murdered women, all prostitutes. A little recognition from the woman who loves sex workers wouldn't go amiss.

Do you seriously believe that aside from your abusive stance towards prostitutes the real solution is to bake cakes? Wow you seem to be stuck in a time warp. ?Tis not the Victorian times where the good morally smug women would do a little charity for the fallen women.

Btw what?s in the recipe? A pinch of hatred, a spoonful of spite, a generous dollop of patronisation, 250g of bile all crowned and smothered with oodles of ignorance?