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Affairs: Can you really get over one

424 replies

Disbelief · 01/09/2005 20:49

I found out my husband was having an affair three months ago and athough we are both trying to make a go of our marrigae and sort things out I wonder will the pain ever really go, also if they stray once is it likely that they will do it again????

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Uhuru · 25/09/2005 21:50

I feel drawn too ggg. Believe me until this happened I always said I would go no matter what but I'm a parent - my dd does not need me to blow her world apart - and although this sounds twee - if I can't put my pride aside for my child then who can I do it for?

I have great admiration for the women who do leave because sometimes I wonder if it is weakness that keeps me here - I would miss our home, our friends, holidays, my H, my dd's happiness. I gave up work a few years ago and would need to go back out there. The thought of going it alone (and it would be alone - I would have no support from family - my mum thinks that this is the kind of thing that happens and you just deal with it - men are like that - it's a woman's lot etc)is very very scary. And none our friends would believe he would betray me either. But I still believe - if not for my DD I would have gone - rightly or wrongly at the moment her welfare and happiness is paramount

ggglimpopo · 25/09/2005 21:53

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Uhuru · 25/09/2005 22:00

Yes I do have to stay but it doesn't mean I always want to - I have been on the verge of walking out SO many times. DD knows something is wrong - even if we raise our voices she gets upset and says don't argue and you don't have to split up. God what have we done to her

nooka · 25/09/2005 22:10

Hi everyone, I haven't been around for a couple of days because after dh's shouting in front of the kids on Thursday morning last week he (well, we in the end!) decided to move out. And now he's gone. It's amazing how fast things change. The weird thing is that now we are getting on really well. It feels like a huge amount of pressure has lifted, and we are both being terribly nice to each other. It's been a very strange few days, and I've had more hugs from dh over the weekend than probably in the last four years. I'm quite a tactile person, but he is the one who has been asking, so that's quite a surprise.

I am hoping that with a bit of space, and independance for both of us, we can rebuild our relationship and hopefully move back together in a few months time. If not then we will have had some practice with children juggling and hopefully can do the whole thing quite amicably. At the moment the kids think it's terribly exciting (the new place is about 10 mins away and they have been back and forth all weekend).

To everyone that is in the early stages post affair. Good luck, you will survive it, but it is horrible. The trick is to get to know yourself better and learn to be strong in yourself (and I don't mean that you need to just stop crying and pull yourself together!) I had 12 counselling sessions and I feel so much more resilient as a result, but I think I had a very good councellor (we talked about everything - especially my mother, as the counsellor was also a physchotherapist). dh and I can even laugh about some bits of his affair now, and watch romantic films together without me falling apart. I just wish that dh would get some help for himself, so that we didn't have to do radical things like living in seperate homes!

For me having a good job and lots of support was absolutely essential in rebuilding my world. Dh denied his affair for about 6mths before I got the proof and we were able to get things out into the open, and it was the hardest period in my life. I think it was another three months before he said sorry and we were able to move forwards. I'm not sure if we have saved our marriage, but I am very glad to have kept my best friend. And he actually wants to go on holiday as a family (we have never done this and ds is 6 1/2!).

The acute pain does go, but some of the sadness I think always remains. I guess the trick is to have lots of positive experiences post the affair so that you can think, well we (or I) went through that nasty experience, but it gained me what I have now. As for the will they ever do it again - well you never thought they would do it in the first place, so yes it is always possible, but then wasn't that always so, we just never thought it would be us?

ggglimpopo · 25/09/2005 22:10

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kath4kids · 25/09/2005 22:23

Getting away is a really good idea. We went away for a few days quite early on and it was brill just to be us, and made me realise that we did have something that was worth fighting for.

But the pain and hurt that we have had since has been at times unbearable and jsut when i think i'm getting there there's another twist of the knife

nooka · 25/09/2005 22:25

Uhuru, don't stay just for your dd. If it's destroying you both and you don't feel that you are making headway I think that you should seriously think about making some changes. I didn't go, and do not think my dh "taking a break" counts as him leaving (apart from the fact we are going to be living in two homes for a while). Maybe we will end up this way for ever, which would be sad, but I do belive that unless the post affair relationship is better than the pre-affair one, then it's not worth it. If it's destroying you living as you are then it may be better for your dd if you change things. My two children seem amazingly oblivious in many ways, although they got very upset when my dh started shouting last week before the school run. I just think that if you live together with no love then that's a very hard thing for a child. It may be better to move on, if you can figure out a way to do that amicably so that your dd does not feel she is in the middle of conflict (and you can cope too, of course!).

I'm not saying that it would be easy in any way, and maybe you feel that there is lots for you to stay for - these things are incredibly personal, and who can tell how someone else would feel (I was always in the cut up his clothes and throw him out school before dh's affair) but I think that there is a real risk of bitterness if you feel trapped. My db has stuck it out for 12 years because of his son, I just couldn't face that without love and friendship in my family.

It is hard coming to such terrible decisions, and you have to feel 100% that you are OK with your choice. My counsellor was great in helping me to think through what I really thought - it's difficult when everyone has an opinion (and my mother is much of the same school as yours).

Anyway, feel absolutly free to completely disregard this post! I just think that your own mental health has to be an really important factor in making the right choice for both you and your dd. It's not just about pride - if you are not happy then it is quite likely that she won't be either.

nooka · 25/09/2005 22:27

Mmm - sorry Uhuru, perhaps I should just have said hello! Feel I weighed in there a bit...

overdraft · 25/09/2005 23:51

hi all

just been away with H for the week end and went into one just like it was yasterday.I threatened to burn his clothes i just went mad.Whan am i gonna stop feeling like this?

I am really low at the moment and I just can't stop thinking about it.He is being supportive, taking the blame,being the best husband in the world and loving me so much.It just all feels so tainted.I just want to get back to normal.

Went to relate and lost my temper there too.The woman he had affair with was obsesed with me and wanted what i had.He knew that too and gave it to her.She copied everything i did and brought everything I had but he was something money couldn't buy and he gave it to her.It is so much more of a betrayal for me and it hurts like hell.Just how do I move on?

Uhuru · 26/09/2005 00:18

Thanks nooka - don't worry about wading in - it is always useful to hear other people's opinions - and I know that no one on mumsnet judges me - if it gets too much I can just retreat for a whiile (not that your post is too much) - wish real life was like that.

Glad that you are making headway - hope everything turns out for the best (whatever that may eventually be)for all of you.

Take care of yourself and you kids

Uhuru
x

gravity · 26/09/2005 05:15

maturer are you about by any chance? i need to talk to someone, anyone. everything just got 100% worse. i'm on the wrong thread for this, i know, i'm sorry everyone. its not my dh, even though thats still crap. my dad just had a bad heart attack, i have to fly home straight away. dr has given him 24 hours. i cant handle this year.

MrsMiggins · 26/09/2005 08:08

hi everyone

Gravity - you poor thing - sounds like youre really having a tough time - Im here to listen if you need to sound off.

I was violently sick with stomach cramps yesterday so spent the afternoon lying on sofa while DH cooked Sunday roast for him & the kids...then he put them to bed.
Funnily enough HE then came on Mumsnet - I hadnt deleted the history from Thurs so he looked at all the threads Id been on - including this one - BUT he said they were too long and Im not sure he would know how to flip the thread etc so whether hes read what Ive been writing, I dont know. I told him I wasnt bothered - in fact might show him how Ive been feeling.

Thurs night we had a good talk - well I cried & asked questions which he reluctanly answered
Friday I ignored him all night and Saturday day was a little strained.
He was going on about forgetting & moving on and how I had to stop asking questions.

I wonder whether the sickness & cramps yesterday were stress-related.
I was finding the counselling helpful in that we were discussing things in my past and how they have affected me....now I have this issue as well

I just dont know whether I can trust DH - Ive said beofre that we were talking of moving to the town of one of the offices, but he keeps changing his mind. I dont know whether thats a good judgment or whether he is hedging his bets. I even asked him whether he would go back to her if he left & he said prob not - does that mean hes been keeping his options open with her?
I would like to ring her and ask....

have a good day guys

maturer · 26/09/2005 11:53

gravity- how awful for you- sorry I'm not able to help. Hope your father is not as bad as it sounds. Try to talk to us when you get back on line again. Lean on your dh- this is his chance to support you amke him show how much he does care. Hope to hear from you soon . Take care of yourself.

maturer · 26/09/2005 12:00

hi all- there are some very strong women out there- you may not be deeling it at the moment but the fact that you are looking at all your options and not just responding to the hurt your dh's have caused shows that to be true.
For those of you who have decided to break or completly move on- well done as you are right it is such a personal thing. only you can say if you can live with what your dh did and more importantly I think how he's behaved after.
I too agree don't stay JUSt for the kids- it is a huge decision but I couldn't do what I'm doing if I didn't think we still had love and us (after all we were here before the kids). Keep talking everyone we can help each other.

MrsMiggins · 26/09/2005 12:11

Im making myself ill which is just stupid.

I still feel sick & terrible pains this morning. Rang DH to ask if he can come home early - says he will try...BUT he had to drop off his car this morning for a service and guess which collegue he rang to pick him up from the garage. He doesnt think theres a problem but I just feel hes being insensitive. Why HER? Could have asked anyone else. I know they work closely together but to me its just taking the mick....

We really need to go away and have some us time. Am tempted to ring in-laws and just book something but then dont want him to moan if its not what he wants to do....

just waffling...helps to say it out loud and stops me ringing him & ranting which doesnt help either of us.

granarybeck · 26/09/2005 12:15

oh gravity, you will survive this. my dad had a heart attack a couple of months after i found out about my dh's affair, and he too lived abroad. at the time i was being made redundant too.

i truly did not know how i was going to survive coping with everything on top of feeling like i was going mad and my world had fallen apart. BUT I did survive, i can't tell you that everything always works out and gets back to normal, but you can get through it. a muslim friend of mine said to me at the time that god will only throw at you what you can cope with and you will cope with this as you are strong enough. now i am not religious at all, but being told that i was strong enough and that it was possible made me fight through each day, one at a time.

i wish you all the strength in the world and i hope your dad is okay. it is really important to look after yourself at times like these, i know i just stopped eating at times as i felt so stressed and upset. but you must try and look after yourself. xx

Listmaker · 26/09/2005 12:59

Hi - just wanted to say hello again. Like ggg I keep reading this thread and you are doing amazingly well and I admire you no end. I also couldn't make it work. We stuck it out for 6 months after I found out about his 6 month affair with a colleague. I was 6 months pg with dd2 at the time and didn't feel in a position financially to kick him out.

But it was easier for me in a way because it just made me realise that I didn't love him and we didn't really try to make it work in those 6 months. I felt better because I was monitoring his e-mails and had the measure of him which made me feel less of a mug!

I had to come to terms with my life not turning out how I planned and the fact that my dds would not have their parents together. That was the worst. I blamed myself for picking the most useless man imaginable for a father etc etc.

But I did ask him to leave once I had my job situation sorted and I was lucky that my family was supportive. It was a relief in the end and now it was 5.5 years ago I'm happy as anything with a lovely new dp and life (although he never sees our dds and pays no maintenance - he really is a lovely man!!).

You lot are so courageous trying to make it work. ONce you've got kids you can't just kick them out without trying for their sake. You all seem to have dhs who were 'normal' until their affairs. My exp had a chequered past that made me sure he'd do it again.

I was strong to ask him to leave but really felt I had no choice. There was no love and worse still no respect there. I couldn't face living the rest of my life like that. I deserved more and my dds did too. I don't think they've been too affected really. They were very young and they are excited about getting a step-father now and really mention their real father very little.

Good to hear from you Uhura - remember you from when it all happened. Sorry things are no better.

Keep talking to us and each other girls and I really, really hope you can make it - or not if that's what's going to make you happy. Do what you feel instintively is best for your family but don't just stay for the children. They will survive a break up as so many others do as long as they know you both love them.

Thinking of you all........

Disbelief · 26/09/2005 19:31

Mrs Miggins - What the hell is he playing at? I would kill him stone dead. Did he tell you that she collected him from the garage?

Can I ask you all going through this or having been through it - Does many people in the real world know what you have been through. I was out at the weekend and someone said that they had heard about the terrible time I had been through I nearly went through the floor in shock. I feel embarrassed now that everyone knows and is looking at me with pity.

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deceived · 26/09/2005 19:46

I have told 3 close friends and had to tell my managers at work as I needed some time off and to try to change my working hours.

I purposely haven't told my parents as I felt we would be able to mend our relationship easier if they didn't know.

My dh has told 2 of his friends.

MrsMiggins, I don't know how you are coping with your dh having any contact with her. He may still need to work with her but any other contact should be stopped.

Perhaps you need to go to counselling together so he can fully appreciate what you are feeling. (I can't remember if you're already doing this)

MrsMiggins · 26/09/2005 21:11

I knew he was going to ring the office to get someone to fetch him but I hoped he wouldnt be so insensitive as to ring her. He did tell me which is something I suppose. He doesnt see it as a problem which annoys me.

I am having counselling (PND)
he wont talk to anyone about it

what scares me is reading other posters saying their DH came back & then left after 6 mths. Id rather he left now that pretend to try

trouble is I love him so much that I cant bear to ask him to leave....

I have told my minister & 3 friends at work - they are all very sensible and realible but more importantly they dont have much contact with us as a couple so it wont make things difficult....

kath4kids · 27/09/2005 08:50

How are we all this morning? I have bitten everyone's head off, just because dh dislocated his shoulder (again)in the night just getting back into bed after sorting one of the babies. So as usual all child care falls to me and i thougt i was about to get some TLC ah well the thought was there i guess. The day can only get better i hope

MrsMiggins · 27/09/2005 09:01

still feel ill - DH managed to get home early and helped with kids
counselling this morning so see how that goes

Disbelief - I dont care if people pity me - to be honest, they probably secretly think Im an idiot for staying. Seeing as I cant talk to DH, they are the only people keeping me sane.

I am annoyed that DH called HER to fetch him from the garage - he thinks its nothing and I just dont know how to make him see that it is all part & parcel of the trust issue.

and now I feel nervous about putting what I really think on here incase he goes looking - I found it helpful telling you lot exactly how I was feeling...perhapos I should go and read Custardo's advice on another thread again....

overdraft · 27/09/2005 09:12

what thread is that then MM ?

kath4kids · 27/09/2005 09:48

MM I really hope things start to get better for you, I went mad yesterday because she walked past the house never mind seeing her everyday in work. He needs to see how this is affecting you, I just don't know how you can give him the wake up call he needs. [hugs] though.

Morning maturer how are we this morning?

MrsMiggins · 27/09/2005 10:43

This is the link \link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=7&threadid=110074&stamp=050927091507}

Find Custardo's long post on Monday, 26 September, 2005 3:10:14 PM

Have to say I feel tonnes better - just been to see my counsellor and really helped - so much so I have been to gym on the way home to tell them I need a new card - Ive been paying ofr months but lost card and so getting new card will spur me on to go - sounds pathetic but I am at the moment {wink]