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NPD / Abusive partner - Recovery thread

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IseeGraceAhead · 03/09/2010 01:13

These threads were started last year by therealme though I gather there were excellent predecessors.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a diagnosable condition on the continuum of Personality Disorders. Few Narcissists are diagnosed, however: a person must either present themselves for treatment or be sectioned to ensure diagnosis. Narcissists are very clever, they generally avoid compulsory referral. Narcissists believe They Are Right & Everybody Else Is Wrong; they will never seek treatment as they find themselves perfectly fine!

Common misconceptions:

[1] You can't call someone NPD if they haven't a diagnosis. Diagnosis is unlikely for the reasons above. Even Narcissists agree it's reasonable to determine a personality type as NPD (see links in first post). If you are in a relationship with a Narc, you don't need to be a clinician to know.

[2] He's got Aspergers or BPD, or is just a bit shit at dealing with people. Really? The obvious question is: why would you want to devote your life to someone like this? On a more technical note: emerging evidence, via biopsychology, suggests that Asperger and NPD brains exhibit similar differences from the average brain. And BPD is the baseline for all other Personality Disorders.

[3] S/He isn't "bad", they're just very hurt. Yes, they are very hurt. The more insight you gain into this spectrum, the more pain you feel for the sufferer. If you have a Narc parent, it's almost a given that you've gained tremendous insight - it was a necessity for your survival. The important thing is, YOU are not the same or you wouldn't be reading this. And understanding does NOT mean you can fix it.

[4] S/He just needs loving care. Yes, they do. They need it like a junkie needs heroin. You can keep on giving, they'll keep on taking and it will never be enough to satisfy them. Never. They'll suck you dry (emotional 'vampire') and then they'll rip you to shreds, just because you 'ran dry'.

[5] I get that s/he's abusive, but why say they've got a Personality Disorder? There's a spectrum of disorders: some are more 'needy'; some more 'domineering'; some are just fucking strange. At bottom, they're no more or less than deviations from the average. Nobody would choose a disordered realtionship unless they suffer from a need to be their partner's therapist. If this is you, try reading some of the links below.

OP posts:
ItsGraceAgain · 09/10/2010 11:35

By the way - I recommend sleeping pills. Yes, I know ...! I've got some Stilnoct (zolpidem tartrate) for occasional use; I took one last night. They don't knock you unconscious or stop you dreaming - and they work! A good night's sleep makes a difference.

pinemartina · 09/10/2010 12:18

Reading yesterdays and this mornings' posts and,as usual,identifying with so much....just wanted to share what jumped out at me...

I feel lucky that xp has disappeared and,as far as I know,denies he has dd,or claims I have prevented all contact between them.I hope he never re appears.

But I DO feel as though I am now "free" from my N parents.Even though they are as nasty and present as ever...

The difference is in me..

Freedom asks:

DOes it ever end or can you ever break free?
It probably won't ever "end"..as in,these people will continue to behave according to the script that they all seem to follow.

But WE don't have to carry on following our scripts...that's where the penny has finally dropped for me...

I was really struck by maths' post,especially this:

it is a strain to focus that hard on creating and maintaining an attitude of the utmost hostility, and to marshall all your malignant and negative energy constantly

That describes my xp perfectly..and also my parents...But you are so right..it is a strain ....at a really simple - ?simplistic? level..something here really strikes me as obvious.I just want to breath,eat,sleep, live without it all being so much emotional effort....

My whole life has been shadowed by emotional exhaustion....through,I now think,stepping around Narcs and their nonsense.

I am not going to do it any more.

For me,it's about "lightening up".They - the narcs in my life - many,many people - put all their energy into negativity - exactly as math says.

Well,let them.
Whatever.

Carry on.
I will get on with enjoying the things that feed me and my dc.
Smile

bottyburpthebarbarian · 09/10/2010 16:51

Just going to post something a little light hearted that I did today.

I am immature.

Driving down the main street.

Chockablock with traffic.

See ex and his weirdo church cronies standing at a car with a megaphone preaching.

Actually all I heard was "and the Lord said"

So, and bear in mind I was inching past at 0.00000001 miles an hour

Drove past with my windows down and "Who the Fuck is Alice" blaring out.

Felt bloody brilliant.

LittleMissHissyFit · 09/10/2010 16:53

that's funny BB! Grin

bottyburpthebarbarian · 09/10/2010 16:55

I am mentally about 12 on a good day.

Today was not a good day

Grin
mathanxiety · 09/10/2010 21:24

BottyBurp -- Well done! Very funny.

FreedomFrom -- I'm thinking of you and hoping you'll be able to write a new script soon, that will include allowing your ex to have and execute his own Plan B in the case of rain when he's supposed to be with your DS, one that doesn't include walking all over you/into your house against your wishes.

PM -- your comment about following the script hit the nail on the head.

bottyburpthebarbarian · 09/10/2010 21:31

I think I am starting to turn the corner with it - I really don't think he can bother me in the same way anymore.

A lot of it was to do with taking the control off him, taking it into my own hands, and boy now he hates that.

Before, I would have wound the window up, sat in the car, very obviously not looking at him iyswim

Unlikelyamazonian · 10/10/2010 00:48

Just about to eat digestives with cheese and lashings of butter.

And maybe coleslaw.

Already polished off supper.

Just mentioned that. No reason. Confused

ItsGhoulAgain · 10/10/2010 00:59

I REALLY wish you hadn't said that, UA ... I've run out of digestives :(

battyburpthebarbaric · 10/10/2010 10:07

Morning folks.

I slept last night properly for the first time in literally years.

Woke at 7.30.

(which I know isn't a lie in as such but compared to my usual is amazing)

No real reason for posting that just wanted someone to know

ItsGhoulAgain · 10/10/2010 17:32

:) Lovely! :)

battyburpthebarbaric · 10/10/2010 18:19

I've been analysing it all day.

I think its because I realised he can only control me if I let him and I'm not going to let him anymore?

I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulder.

weird, huh?

pinemartina · 10/10/2010 19:55

Yay!!!

battyburpthebarbaric · 10/10/2010 20:03

Awh Pine but isn't it weird.

I mean, I've left and everything, am out of the situation.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is what a stupid way for me to get him out of my head??

Am I making sense?

freedomfrom · 10/10/2010 20:34

Thanks Pine and Math, yes I need to get away from being so scared of him... and of what I dont know. But I think I'll feel better when I know my legal rights as at the moment he's just bullying me into agreeing with everything he wants. If I dont, then I'm being unreasonable, preventing access etc etc..... Blah.....

He didnt come into my house the other day, he did the opposite which I wasnt expecting and declared he was going to take him out in the pushchair, had to push him to give me a time they would be back, he said and hour and half, it was 2. And this is only the 2nd time ever in ds'S life he has not been with me. I just dont feel I can stand up to him...... jeez!

Glad you seem like you've got a handle on it though PINE gives us all hope!

pinemartina · 10/10/2010 20:36

No ,No not stupid!!

You are making sense.(And I think we are saying a similar thing....?)

It's the penny dropping/lights coming on/glue unsticking/fog lifting

If it works...Celebrate!!!

Why should we carry their script around in our heads...or anyone's script...

I'm going to make up my own ,now.I've realised I'm allowed.

Seriously can't imagine a narc getting past me again.I KNOW I'd spot one pretty quick.

Bet you would ,too!

battyburpthebarbaric · 10/10/2010 21:19

Mr fancymodeoftransport

He was got rid of as soon as I realised.

In Orkney.

Found my own way home.

mathanxiety · 10/10/2010 21:30

All that 'unreasonable' 'preventing access' stuff is just words, FF. So you are being unreasonable? So what? What is he going to do about it?

You have the right to be 'unreasonable'. You have the right to change your mind. You have the right to say 'No, that doesn't suit me' when he makes a demand, and you don't owe him any explanation why. You have the right to wait for him to come up with an alternative, and the right to shoot that down too.

He only has a right to access if a court has ordered it. Any other 'right' to access exists only in his head. He has no right to take the baby for as long as he feels. If he won't agree to the time you say, you don't have to hand over the DS. He can't make you do this.

battyburpthebarbaric · 10/10/2010 21:39

Agrees with math

mathanxiety · 10/10/2010 21:40

Don't suggest things to him as alternatives to what he wants. Wait for him to say what he wants every time, and then tell him No, then wait.

freedomfrom · 10/10/2010 22:33

Thanks Math.... I like your 'No, that doesn't suit me' line. I really need to write it down so when he goes into his usual tirade I'm not drawn in.

The place where he has hooked me is really the 'looking bad infront of the courts thing' so I'm scared to do anything that would / could constitute being obstructive to access. Especially when I read of all these guys who have nearly killed their partners, being granted overnight access to their kids! Mine hasnt gone anywhere near that, (just EA etc and cronic weed use - and thus paranoia!) so surely if he went to court for overnights, (which I think ultimately he will be aiming for) he would get the works??

Does he really have no rights unless through the courts even with parental responsibility?

Thanks for your help,,, i need someone telling me what I have a right to say etc!

mathanxiety · 10/10/2010 22:53

You won't look bad if your ex is a pothead and you can offer proof.

You're not saying, no you can't see DS at all, ever, -- what you're saying is that he can't just show up or arrive later than arranged or threaten you over the phone to hand DS over 'or else'. Keep a record of every interaction you have with him, noting dates and times you have arranged, and follow up your record with what actually happened. Any kind of memo to file is better than a he said/she said situation, which is what your ex is threatening you with. There is no guarantee at all that 'he said' will be believed in a court if it comes to that, but having your contemporaneous, dated notes would be very handy for you.

Go and talk to a solicitor about your rights and his and any steps you can take to safeguard yours and keep him on a reasonable schedule.

freedomfrom · 11/10/2010 20:49

Thanks math, have been making some notes, but probably could do with a bit more detail and also updates as there are some incidents I've missed...... Its like writing a diary when he's having a bad week!
He's all nice again at the mo, so of course I'm teetering on 'well maybe it isnt that bad!'... I know i know,... Smile

Will call rights for women tommorrow and hope I get thorugh!

mathanxiety · 11/10/2010 23:48

Keep calling if they're busy. Knowledge of your rights can really buoy you up.

Keep the diary and record when he's all sweet too; the lack of an even keel can then be noted.

ItsGhoulAgain · 12/10/2010 01:08

I just need to blunder into the conversation and share something. I haven't got anyone else to tell. I just saw a TV programme about the black cab driver rapist, John Worboys. I realise I was one of his targets. (I mentioned it, in passing, on one of the rape threads once.) This happened whilst I was fighting to hang onto my job, had been stitched up by the ex, was facing a tide of debt and in therapy. I felt like shit all the time so, simply, I would have put my bad feelings down to my depression rather than suspecting rape.

I remember the money story; I remember he said he wanted me to drink champagne with him as he had no-one to celebrate with. I remember thinking it was weird & saying no ... but was pushy. We were parked opposite my flat, so I thought I could scream & run if it went tits-up. He then said he hadn't got champagne, only white wine. I said he wasn't very good at celebrating. The wine was filthy, cheap & warm. I remember, the following day, finding all of my money gone (I'd had a couple of hundred in cash) and beating myself up for triple-paying the cab driver. I was surprised as I had switched to soft drinks well before coming home; I shouldn't have been that drunk or so hungover. Again, I put it down to depression.

I remember a second incident, where a cab driver tried to come into the flat with me. This is only a snippet of memory - it's night, the cabbie seems to think he should come in and "make sure I'm safe". I am outraged but he's pushy. I have a feeling that it's all too much trouble, I can't be bothered ... I've only just put these two incidents together. I've had other run-ins with cab drivers, but no others took place outside that particular flat. Fuck.

I need to allow this sink in; wait and see what (if anything) happens inside my head. I was very anxious to tell someone, though. So thanks. Am going to paste this in my diary and go to bed.

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