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Struggling to accept DP sisters will not accept our dd

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MCDL · 24/07/2010 10:05

DD now 4.2, although after some time dd is now accepted by Grandmother and brothers, sisters continue to want to have nothing to do with her. They are close to DP children 18 and 23, who also continue to dis own her. Finding it difficult to accept this. Feel if they took the lead, dp's children would follow. Feel they using dp's children as an excuse to continue this ridiculous behaviour .... Any advice ....

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MCDL · 26/07/2010 16:14

No totally mis read ....

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valiumSingleton · 26/07/2010 16:20

Tricky situation but I agree with Little miss hissyfit and sayithowitis.

You can't expect beautiful civilised behaviour from the children of the woman whose husband you had an affair with.

I'm not actually judging you btw, these things happen. But I think it's unreasonable of you to now expect perfect behaviour from other people....

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/07/2010 16:23

Sorry MCDL, you know that I think you respond with bravery and integrity when you inevitably get strong reactions from posters here, but yet again, I honestly don't think you're truly empathising properly here.

And your way of writing, with all the "...."s in the middle of your sentences and a line that made me howl; "the rock that I perish on..." makes me think you see yourself in the middle of a Greek tragedy, rather than what has been a tragic situation for two children who never asked to be born to an alcoholic and an adulterer.

Of course those kids wouldn't have wanted to leave their mum to go and live with him at that point. They probably felt responsible for her, especially if she went to pieces when her H left. Besides, if your presence was known to them both at that stage, they wouldn't have wanted to live with you too at any point. If your DP was however pretending that he'd left and there was no OW involved, the older one woud have had the savvy to work out that he was being deceived.

Those kids probably had a shit childhood and the money they take from their Dad and you now is no doubt viewed by them as their just desserts after all that. Not particularly edifying, but understandable IMO. But like others have said, they are also behaving like youngsters do, expecting there to be a bottomless pit of money.

I don't think your DP needs to choose at all - and if he does choose you and DD like you think and shuts off financial and emotional support to his older DCs, then he will just fulfil everything they probably believe about him anyway - that he dumped them in an intolerable situation while he chose to make a new family. And you seem to think that "most women" would be happy for a man to disregard his previous family. Really? Not this woman, anyway. Quite the reverse, I'd think he was an absolute jerk and best avoided.

I really think you're going to have to give this time and patience. This is not long at all for people to have forgotten the memories of picking up the pieces of those kids' lives. Yes, they might feel equally badly towards the alcoholic SIL, but they were entitled to think that their brother should have shouldered his responsibility to the children, not left them to nurture two kids whose parents had defected; one through illness and one through selfishness.

It is in all probability why your DP's brothers are a bit more sanguine about things - I'll bet they weren't the ones who had to intervene at the school, mop up all the tears and hurt on a daily basis, like the aunts did.

Just give it time and really try to see it from these people's point of view, instead of calling their behaviour "ridiculous".

QueenofDreams · 26/07/2010 16:36

Sorry OP - i think you ARE going to have to accept this.
I think it could be that DP's sisters are taking a moral standpoint here. They believe that what you did was wrong, and therefore to engage with your DD is to condone what you did IYSWIM? It is sad that your DD has to bear the consequences of your actions, but sadly that is life. The sisters feel a loyalty to their older nieces and nephews - I don't think they BENEFIT from this, but they are showing that loyalty. Why does every action have to benefit someone?

DP has very strong principles, to the point where he stopped speaking to his sister on a point of principle over her actions (strangely enough in getting back together with someone already in a relationship). It benefitted him nothing - he just felt that what she was doing was more than he could tolerate

valiumSingleton · 26/07/2010 16:43

I agree with QOD if it's a moral standpoint, they're entitled to make that stand, and your daughter will only suffer if you go on about it for her whole life.

If you can totally accept that this is how they feel and that actually it's not really 'ridiculous' then I don't think your daughter will suffer.

Aitch · 26/07/2010 18:16

i think that you should be utterly ashamed of any talk of his choosing between his children and that if he's prepared to entertain the idea then he's a complete shit. he's made his bed and he (and you and dd) need to lie in it.

MCDL · 26/07/2010 18:25

All points taken ....

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MCDL · 26/07/2010 18:29

Aitch, there has never been any talk of him choosing and never will be, but if you read the posts you would see that this is what will happen ...

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Aitch · 26/07/2010 18:38

i genuinely don't understand you on this. you talked of the consequences of him choosing, while saying (of course) that you hope this won't happen. you can't choose not to be a dad, you just are a dad. a good one or a bad one.

i say this with all due respect, tbh, but do you have any disorders that might damage your ability to empathise with his family's situation? or are you typing in a second language? there's just some sort of disconnect here that i can't put my finger on.

MCDL · 26/07/2010 18:43

I totally empathise, feel guilt.. take blame.. admit my wrong doings as does dp. It will happen that we will stop persuing this and get on with out lives ... DP, dd and I ...

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MCDL · 26/07/2010 18:45

I also have a child to protect and finding it very hard not to be dragged down with this mess. I also have a life and a right to be happy with my family ....

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dittany · 26/07/2010 19:02

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grapeandlemon · 26/07/2010 19:13

I feel for you.

DH and I met each other very soon after the break-up of his marriage. Their Mother met someone else at the same time and they both went on to have another child.

It has been extremely difficult but the one thing we all hold it together for is the relationship between the half-siblings. It is SO important they realise they have done nothing wrong and have a right to a good relationship with each other. I think it is bloody disgraceful to poison children's minds just because of a failed marriage.

Does it really matter that he met the OP at the time he was married? The marriage was over, I remember her story it was a battleground not a exactly loving relationship.

OP I really feel for your DD but you need to stop worrying about it and just maintain a dignified distance. You can't do much more can you?

MCDL · 26/07/2010 19:15

So I do not have a right to be happy with my family ..... this is what is clearly been stated.... and I disagree..

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MCDL · 26/07/2010 19:17

Maintain a dignified distance, this is what I do and will continue. Thank u grapeandlemon for your post ...

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JustAnother · 26/07/2010 19:22

my DH's sister made it quite clear that she was not interested in DS. There are no other previous wives, or DCs, etc, so it is different situation. However, she doesn't want to be an "aunt" and made it clear from birth. Hence we don't bother her and DS is just as happy. I guess my point is that children don't really care whether a particular person likes them or not, providing they have plenty of other loving people around. If I were you, I would concentrate in building the relationships between your DD and the people who want to know her, regardless of being related or not

MCDL · 26/07/2010 19:28

JustAnother. Does your dh sister attend family get togethers where you are attending with your son ...

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sayithowitis · 26/07/2010 19:39

I don't think anyone has said you have no right to be happy with your family, what has been said, is that your happiness should not be pursued at the expense of others' happiness.

At the moment, it really doesn't matter what you want, because the people concerned are not ready to put everything behind them.

You and dp were complicit in their unhappy childhood. Like it or not, you were. Their aunts were there to pick up the pieces. They are not going to forgive or forget overnight and five years is actually not that long.

Maybe you should consider that when/if you go ahead with your suggestion of using the money you would 'save' by not giving it to your partner's DDs, to take legal action against their mother, whatever their relationship with her, it is hardly likely to make them agree with your way of thinking!

Aitch · 26/07/2010 19:49

the fact that you say that you empathise but immediately talk of your 'right'... i dunno, this is one weird thread. you really don't seem to have any empathy at all. you're a homewrecker in their eyes, how utterly GALLING for the aunts and the elder children to see you playing happy families when you destroyed theirs. (obv more complicated than this but i imagine that's how they might be seeing it).

clam · 26/07/2010 19:50

My friend's father had an affair and left her mother after 25 years. She subsequently met someone else and had a happy relationship.
My friend and her siblings maintained very close links with their mother and the "new" man, but would not entertain their step-mother through their father. Their dad would constantly push it, asking how it was that they could accept one step-parent yet not the other.
Apart from the issue of blame (arguably irrational, but they saw their mother as the innocent party who was totally floored by his desertion), the bottom line was that they quite simply couldn't STICK the woman their father married. But of course, they've never felt able to tell him this. Also, they feel pressured and harangued to accept her and justify their reluctance when they just don't want to.

JustAnother · 26/07/2010 19:58

MCDL, no she doesn't attend normally, but in the odd occasion when she does, she blanks him out completely. Her DH is great thought and plays with DH all the time. Honestly, DS doesn't seem to care at all. When we talk about family, he won't even mention her.

MrsJellicle · 26/07/2010 20:04

I think these responses are a bit harsh. If the OP were saying that she wanted to be accepted for her own sake, that would be different.

But there is a little child involved here, and I don't think it is unnatural or unreasonable for the OP to hope for her to have a reasonable relationship with her father's family.

Aitch · 26/07/2010 20:11

there were children involved before and it didn't stop her running off with their father. i don't see why everyone else has to be righteous about this when demonstrably the OP and her DP were not. it sounds like he was in a ghastly situation, sure, but that's why you don't go out with married men.

valiumSingleton · 26/07/2010 20:15

OP,I don't know if 'right' is the word, but in your own small family unit, the three of you, you are happy?

But you can't demand that the older half brothers and sisters of your child behave how you see fit.

You did not behave how they saw fit.

grapeandlemon · 26/07/2010 20:33

You did not destroy their lives OP, please don't listen to that nonsense.

It is very easy to become a scapegoat for a whole family's disfunction when you are the first Woman a man choses to build a life with after his marriage was over. You are first in line and so very easy to blame for all the ills, you absolve all their personal responsibility for the situation.

It makes it easier for them and less painful.

Good luck op, look after yourself and your DD try to protect her from all the bad feeling. She will need you so much.

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