Archers thread #165: Bridge over troubled waters! Discuss The Archers here.

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Good actor; rubbish cop.

Well Harrison certainly let her have it with both barrels - to be fair he has rescued Alice from being drunk in charge before now and she tried to snog him for his efforts (I’m not sure if Fallon knows this). He’s probably wishing he’d brought the force of the law down on her on that occasion. This is obviously now about more than Fallon losing the baby and all about him realizing how much he wants children. I’d actually forgotten that Alice and Chris were in a similar situation themselves when Alice accidentally got pregnant with Martha which is probably adding to Harrison’s sense of feeling hard done by. Not trying to excuse him in anyway, I just think it’s a very realistic reaction.

‘You’ll talk to her but not to me’ was too much. And giving the impression the miscarriage was caused by the accident is irresponsible

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ambridge/comments/sptvcf/ambridgemap_in_the_archers_recording_studio_bbc/?rdt=38565

That isn't "Heydon Bridge"; it is "Hump Back Bridge". It's on the Magnetic North map with that name.

Grundys' Field isn't what Miles bought on Rob's behalf after Rob's death, to be left to Jack, because what he bought was Oliver's land and Grundys' Field was bought by the Grundys with the money from their unused milk quota.

I thought you’ll talk to to her, but not to me was fine. They haven’t talked enough - either before they got married or after the accident. Fallon’s instructions not to tell anyone were already too late.
Kate’s outburst was interesting and a slight rewriting of history which missed out the bit where Brian and Jenny sold the family home so Kate wouldn’t have to move her tents. You’d be hard pushed to say who was most over-indulged between her and Alice.

I think the fact that Joy sold it to George not to Alice may be key. Alice doesn't remember how she got hold of it, but Joy knows that George had it.

He told both Fallon and Chris when she made a pass at him. Everyone forgave her because…poor Alice. Kate is correct that she has been mollycoddled for far too long.

It's perfectly understandable that Harrison believes the miscarriage was caused by the accident though. He is grieving.

Can’t wait for Fallon and Harrison to split up

The difference between Kate's view of Alice

• that A has been spoiled, and got more attention that Kate did, but that she loves her and is only sorry that A has been damaged -

is a contrast with Alice's view of Ruairi -

• that R has been spoiled, and got more attention that Alice did, and that she hates him and wishes he'd go away -

is a nice set up, it will be interesting to see where it goes.

I meant irresponsible of the sw

Guilty laugh

Ah sorry @Bruisername see what you mean

Indeed! But suspect they won't 🤦‍♀️

Just caught up with the last three episodes, what a absolute shit show thanks to PC Twat of the Year!!

I’ve got the disappointing feeling that this will lead to Fallon deciding that she actually does want a baby and she was just a silly woman who didn’t know her own mind.

I’d imagine it would confirm her already stated feelings on the subject.

Imagine pregnancy being irrevocably linked in your mind to drowning in a submerged car. Not something you’d want to repeat.

I’m hoping it will make her realise what living with a child is like and she will stick to her guns!

Good point.

It hinges on what questions Joy is asked and how thorough the investigation is.

If the police want the full picture Joy might be asked if Alice was sober when Joy sold her the vodka and cider. Joy can confirm she was sober but she sold cider to George, not Alice.

But they might not bother with the background so Joy will be interviewed as a victim and witness to the crash.She is almost certainly going to say she regrets selling vodka to Alice but unless whoever is questioning her mentions cider it will never come up.

Joy being Joy though, the answer to the simple question 'Can you describe how you came to sell Alice Carter the vodka?' will probably last several minutes and start with a lengthy account of how Alistair was in the shop and she'd just put up the closed sign after George Grundy left with his fruit cider which he didn't really want but it was all he could afford to take to his house party, and the brilliant and astute officer assigned to the job (i.e. not Harrison) will put 2 and 2 together.

We just need Debbie to come back from Hungary and start shouting at Brian and then it will be house. No doubt Adam has a good deal stored up he could contribute. Ruairi seems very wisely to have distanced himself.

I enjoyed Kate's home truths, but my word, she's got a selective memory. She ran away from home with money she'd appropriated from the riding course and made no effort to let Brian and Jennifer know she was OK. They reported her missing to the police and Brian was asked to look at a dead body in Cornwall to see if it was Kate. She's put her family through the wringer in various ways over the years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thearchers/entries/39437c9a-1f54-3028-825a-29ecdfba787d

With apologies to any Deneezes on the thread, I find the annoying pronunciation mutual!

Even if Fallon does change her mind then I think that is ok as long as it is completely on her terms and not feeling like she has to have a baby due to what Harrison wants. That would really bloody annoy me! (How old are F and H btw?)
I was once a Fallon, very sure babies weren't for me. Career and horses please. Then we had a contraception mishap and after the initial shock I realised I really wanted this new chapter. Found out about 5-6 weeks so plenty of time to have options and I am certainly pro choice. Now a happy family of four and I often wonder what if we'd never had that "accident". Would I regret it or would I just not know any different and be happily child free? 🤷‍♀️

I think it's unlikely Fallon will change her mind though and actually, after the way Harrison has behaved since the news, I hope she doesn't!!. But, I suppose I feel neutral about it as life isn't black and white and what we thought we wanted can change and that is all very human and valid.

I don't agree that Harrison has behaved badly.

Fallon again.

Oh come on 😁 all that "we're pregnant", "in your condition" nonsense and instantly treating her like a china doll when he knows full well this isn't what she wants. He says to her he knows how she feels but then trails off we "we'll see how it..." goes? He wasn't considering that if the pregnancy was viable she might not want to keep it. Totally insensitive.

I suppose with Kate, maybe the SW are trying to demonstrate that finally, she is maturing (a bit) and Jakob has been really good for her.