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Archers thread #165: Bridge over troubled waters! Discuss The Archers here.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2024 19:39

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you believe Rochelle exists, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/5071889-the-archers-spoilers-thread-9-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

This thread may well fill up as fast as the last one, so let's just get stuck in!

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DeanElderberry · 12/05/2024 20:24

And we learned that Denise is a brilliant swimmer, and she plunged into the raging waters of the Am to rescue one of the others and is now poorly leading some of us to hope she has caught something lethal.

None of us, here or on Mustardland, can work out where the bridge was that all this happened at, or why the Am was so deep.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 12/05/2024 20:27

Darker · 11/05/2024 08:14

Harrison nearly lost his job because of Alice.

No, he nearly lost his job because he breached confidentiality

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/05/2024 20:30

Alice has fallen off the wagon. Jakob knew first and didn't tell anyone else at Alice's request. He didn't know Alice before when she was drinking so was naive enough to accept that she had had one lapse but was OK again. Alice then went to The Bull with the rest of the family for the quiz night and was steaming drunk. Brian told her that her mother would be ashamed of her.

A week ago today Alice slipped away from the family and bought a large bottle of vodka in the village shop. She drove to a quiet spot to drink it. George found her passed out in the car as he walked home from a party with the cheap cider he'd purchased in the village shop and not drunk. He got in and moved her out of the driving seat, then set off for her house near Home Farm. We think he left the cider in the car.

As they got near Haydon Bridge, she said she was going to be sick and opened the door while they were moving. George lost control of the car. Another car was coming towards them. George clipped the other car and it went over the bridge and into the Am (or possibly the Hayden Brook, or the junction of the two, we're not sure). In the car were Mick (driving), Joy and Fallon. Shortly after this Alistair and Denise arrived on the scene, on the way to a hotel where they were going to spend the night together for the first time. They abandoned that plan and helped George to rescue the others. Once everybody was out, George nipped back to Alice and moved her back into the driver's seat. His story is that he was walking back from a party and came across the accident. He has been acclaimed as a hero. Alice is a pariah. Nobody knows that George was the driver, but Chris is puzzled by the whole thing, so is Fallon, so is Alice herself.

Joy, Mick and Fallon are all OK, with relatively minor injuries, but Fallon found out at the hospital that she was pregnant. Harrison was overcome with joy. He told Alan the vicar. The next day Fallon had a scan and there was no heartbeat. On Friday Alice attempted to see Fallon. Harrison turned up and told her to get out and that Fallon had had a miscarriage because of the accident. He bellowed this in the street outside the house, so everybody in the village knows now. Fallon had just told him she didn't want anyone else to know. Hmm

On this thread we are pretty sure she would have miscarried anyway, as she had a coil and it was extremely early, but also she didn't want to have children so might have wanted to terminate the pregnancy, which was not planned. We therefore think that this is sowing the seeds for a pretty major upset between Harrison and Fallon.

Epic row amongst the Aldridges on Friday when Kate told Brian some home truths. Alice has asked Chris to take Martha full-time for the foreseeable future.

Hope that helps!

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JanglyBeads · 12/05/2024 21:16

And we still have no clue as to why Harry visited Chris secretly at the beginning of his short relationship with Alice.....

EmilyDickinson · 12/05/2024 21:19

And Denise has swallowed water from the river and is now unwell. Wondering if that storyline will go somewhere or not.
Ali-STARE and Denise have come up with a convoluted story to explain their presence at the accident about being called out to a sick sheep. Paul has been asking lots of questions about it so that he can get the Practice billing straight.
The mysterious Rochelle (Joy’s daughter) apparently visited her in the hospital but no one except Joy seems to have seen her.
Everyone is calling George a hero, which he hates. He does seem to have a conscience.

BovineUniversity · 12/05/2024 21:19

Just catching up and realised...

Jakob came to the village as he knew Chris didn't he? I mean I know it was Lovell James but I'm sure Chris knew him from equine stuff.

So he would have known about Alice. He's been in Ambridge since before the pandemic. That's when Alice was in Rehab I think (after lockdown I mean)

So although he might not have been with Kate, he would have known about her smashing up the village shop etc I think??

JanglyBeads · 12/05/2024 22:07

Yes but knowing that she was a drinker : alcoholic and having experienced the deception and extreme behaviour of an addict are two different things.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 12/05/2024 22:26

UnintentionalArcher
maybe their current situation will end up in a fertility SL with H persuading F that they should consider getting some embryos frozen in case she changes her mind about children.

In that case I hope they also make clear that having frozen embryos does not mean that people necessarily end up with a baby further down the line. The success rate was at about 36% as of 2021, which must be utterly heartbreaking if you froze them with someone who has died.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 12/05/2024 22:32

Johnthelush · 12/05/2024 16:52

Back in the day Brian had an affair with Caroline. You do wonder why Jennifer put up with his serial philandering.

Because she was serially philandering herself, perhaps.

Dobest · 12/05/2024 23:20

Portnoy's Complaint: A disorder in which strongly felt ethical and altruistic impulses perpetually are warring with extreme sexual longings, often of a perverse nature

No better than beasts of the field!

UnintentionalArcher · 12/05/2024 23:42

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 12/05/2024 22:26

UnintentionalArcher
maybe their current situation will end up in a fertility SL with H persuading F that they should consider getting some embryos frozen in case she changes her mind about children.

In that case I hope they also make clear that having frozen embryos does not mean that people necessarily end up with a baby further down the line. The success rate was at about 36% as of 2021, which must be utterly heartbreaking if you froze them with someone who has died.

Given that they’re not doing a great job of clear/realistic messaging around miscarriage (although I haven’t listened to tonight yet), I don’t hold out much hope of that such an SL would be treated accurately.

Darker · 13/05/2024 08:37

I think Denise is having a bit of a breakdown, squished between her uninterested husband, her unconsummated affair with Alistair, and her conscience about Paul.

CaptainMyCaptain · 13/05/2024 08:53

Darker · 13/05/2024 08:37

I think Denise is having a bit of a breakdown, squished between her uninterested husband, her unconsummated affair with Alistair, and her conscience about Paul.

Yes. I'm wondering if she is really sick at all.

VoxPop · 13/05/2024 10:37

Have we had any discussion about seat belt bruising (which may develop later) which would indicate Alice was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident (we know Alice was wearing her seatbelt - although possibly not enough of an impact for it to cause marks or bruising).

Also it has been said Alice opened the car door just before the accident, not sure this happened. I thought there was repeated sound of her drunkenly flicking the door opener (she would not be repeatedly doing this if the door had already opened) and the rattling sound each time seemed the same with no click sound of the door opener actually engaging or sound of the door opening (including outside car noise getting louder) also no sound of her undoing her seatbelt.

George said you can’t open the door, not shut that door ;)

Alice was repeatedly telling George she wanted to be sick before the accident but he was repeatedly dismissing her desperate need to stop, instead asking about borrowing her car as a thank you to him. So in her very drunken state and desperate to be sick, her grabbing at the door handle to get out was not unsurprising.

LillianGish · 13/05/2024 10:47

Is Denise’s continued illness a sign that she may have something really serious (Weil’s disease?) Something else to ramp up George’s guilt? And I agree with @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g his reaction last night rather seems to rule out the psychopath theory.

TheUsualChaos · 13/05/2024 11:47

The whole losing the "baby" due to the crash is irritating when we think about it factually but I suppose really it's a good representation of how Harrison is highly emotional about it and not thinking rationally and then on top of the that you have the Chinese whispers quickly going round the village. People won't know, about the coil, that it was very early etc. For all those like Chelsea and George know, Fallon and Harrison could have been trying for a baby and it was much further along.

I wonder if rather than being found out, George will crumble and confess what really happened. He's a selfish little shit, but he does seem to be being pushed to his limits here. He also said to Chelsea "the baby's died, because of me", will she actually realise that was an odd thing for him say if he was meant to be the hero of the hour?

TheUsualChaos · 13/05/2024 12:05

Have we had any discussion about seat belt bruising (which may develop later) which would indicate Alice was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident (we know Alice was wearing her seatbelt - although possibly not enough of an impact for it to cause marks or bruising).

Yes I think it was mentioned. But wouldn't she would have undone her seatbelt when she started trying to open the door? But suppose potentially so drunk she didn't?

misty123456 · 13/05/2024 12:08

When Alice’s blood test comes back it could well show that the amount of alcohol she had drunk would have made it impossible for her to drive.

TTPD · 13/05/2024 12:14

Have we had any discussion about seat belt bruising (which may develop later) which would indicate Alice was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident (we know Alice was wearing her seatbelt - although possibly not enough of an impact for it to cause marks or bruising).

Did they crash badly enough for that? George obviously wasn't injured at all, and Alice didn't seem to be either?

VoxPop · 13/05/2024 12:17

TheUsualChaos · 13/05/2024 12:05

Have we had any discussion about seat belt bruising (which may develop later) which would indicate Alice was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident (we know Alice was wearing her seatbelt - although possibly not enough of an impact for it to cause marks or bruising).

Yes I think it was mentioned. But wouldn't she would have undone her seatbelt when she started trying to open the door? But suppose potentially so drunk she didn't?

Thanks, there was no sound I could hear on that video they did, of the click of her seatbelt being undone or of the door actually being opened. Just sounded like v.drunken ineffectual flicking of the door opener as a reaction to imminent puckage.

Bruisername · 13/05/2024 12:18

I don’t think they were going fast. The accident was only bad because it was on a bridge.

VoxPop · 13/05/2024 12:20

TTPD · 13/05/2024 12:14

Have we had any discussion about seat belt bruising (which may develop later) which would indicate Alice was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident (we know Alice was wearing her seatbelt - although possibly not enough of an impact for it to cause marks or bruising).

Did they crash badly enough for that? George obviously wasn't injured at all, and Alice didn't seem to be either?

That is what I was wondering when I spoke of possibly not enough impact.

Did wonder however if delayed bruising might occur

BoreOfWhabylon · 13/05/2024 12:20

Yes, impact wasn't enough to deploy airbags so unlikely to have caused SB bruising.

LillianGish · 13/05/2024 12:25

I wonder if rather than being found out, George will crumble and confess what really happened I was about to post this very thing. I think all our brilliant forensic twists of seatbelt marks, recovering George’s SIM card and fingerprints in the glove box will be out of the window in favour of Joy sowing doubt when she finds out about the fruit cider and George tearfully confessing as he is overcome with guilt ( possibly exacerbated by Alice doing something dramatic in the face of her own misplaced guilt).

VoxPop · 13/05/2024 12:29

misty123456 · 13/05/2024 12:08

When Alice’s blood test comes back it could well show that the amount of alcohol she had drunk would have made it impossible for her to drive.

I did wonder about that, but thought however unlikely it would not be definitive proof, as people react differently. Although it could be one of a number of indicators that lead to the dawning of suspicion of George’s involvement.