🦈 Archers thread #137: See left - have they jumped it? Discuss The Caseys - sorry, The Archers - here.

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you think Steph Casey is a wonderful addition to the programme, or similar odd views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/4197199--The-Archers-spoilers-thread-6-Cant-wait-for-7-02pm-Join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Too dispirited to add much else. Have we reached a new low?

I suppose the Archer twins will be born before we need a new thread. 👶👶
Any thoughts on names? Patrick and Antonia were suggested before - inspired! Peggy has to be a strong contender.

Over to you!

In the summer months, yes. I wonder if you can grow fruit and salad veg in hothouses in the winter. Not very green, unless using solar or wind power, I suppose.

Most sane, logical people would have done that, but Kirsty has instead chosen to rent it to her best friend while she lives in a houseshare.

There's been no murder that we know of. The most successful murders are the ones which are never found out.

Ah of course it was Adam! Thanks.

I think Ambridge is very much Kirsty's home and community, I'm not surprised she's stayed and now she has rewilding and there's a whiff of romance in the air.

I still think she's handling this all really well, I would be devastated. Openly happy for them, but keeping my distance and weeping inconsolably at home. My best friend got pregnant, with a much longed for baby, after I miscarried. Obviously not half as awful as being your ex and still birth, but I still remember being happy for her, though devastated all over again. Maybe she should have moved, but incomes can make places their home, even if they're not bound by family history.

I'm puzzled as to why Caitlin and Pat would have been to both Tenby and Abersoch I have been to both these places and I'm not even Welsh. Wales is a very small place.
With regard to the local food, lots of places pride themselves on serving locally sourced ingredients - I'm sure most customers don't take it so literally that they demand to know where every drop of olive oil, grain of salt and pinch of pepper was produced. If they sell it in the farm shop for instance I'm sure that would be acceptable. Perhaps Adil could import some ingredients from his family farm in India/Pakistan (I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten which it is).
I LOVE the 🔮prediction re Adil and Kirsty. He is so the owner of GG!

I have also been to Tenby and Abersoch but not on the same trip. I can't remember what the comment was that sparked this discussion.

He'll only be that when the residents of Ambridge have stormed GG and beheaded Hazel.

Then he and Kirsty can run it happily ever after (until she pegs it in Italy.....)

Locally sourced ingredients are a great idea, and there are lots of them in Borsetshire. If that's what Adil means, he should say so.

Me on this point: 🦴🐩

@LillianGish , it's not that small. The two places are about as far apart as Liverpool and Milton Keynes.

Adil's grandmother's farm is in Pakistan. The actor doesn't sound British Pakistani.

How lovely of Welsh Caitlin to mispronounce the name of her husband. At least they gave him a Welsh first name. Another name that would have been unusual for his age group.

And a thieving welsh person too. I think I am over-infested but I am inclined to complain to the BBC.

At least I enjoyed the Hellin being put out bit. She is acted well.

Sorry @WhoppingBigBackside - no slur intended on Wales. On reflection I expect sailing in Abersoch and eating an ice cream in Tenby are activities the SWs expect listeners to identify with as possible Welsh ones in places they might reasonably be expected to have heard of as the SWs remind listeners the twins have two Welsh grannies. Caitlin feels like as much of a caricature as Heatherpet at the moment.

Ooh! Remember when Jill though Phil and Heatherpet were getting too close? Is history about to repeat itself with PatNToneNCat?

(The 🔮wants to pass on its very best wishes for Mr Gish's continued recovery, @LillianGish , as do I)

Thanks so much @BoreOfWhabylon . Mr Gish is doing really well after his op (and is now happily convalescing at home in front of the Commonwealth Games), but it has been quite a stressful time and I can't tell you how much it has meant to have all the good wishes from posters on this thread. I've read them all out to him and it has given him a real lift. Thanks so much everyone

Is Mr Gish an Archers listener? (Or a sensible person?)

He dips in and out (but I always say he only has the luxury of doing this because I listen so intently and can fill in any gaps)

Ah, a very sensible person.

Glad to hear he’s doing well.

I do hope they're not going to continue with "Alice and Adam thought it was lovely". Give it time.
Abs then there's Kate's reaction to look forward to.

Tom could have done better re his sister.

I'd forgotten Peggy turning up when Hellin had Jack, that was a fab thing, granted. No wonder H is confused and hurt.

I'm glad Mr Gish is on the mend.

Re the Caitlin bit, a lot of it is me being nitpicky, but a Welsh-speaker would not have said Gwilym that way. The pronunciation is Gwillim not Gwillum.
The Caitlin actor is not a mother-tongue Welsh speaker, but have to some extent learnt some Welsh in the past 10 years or so. There's another welsh born-and-bred actor who has learnt Welsh recently, but she was in something and I couldn't understand her without subtitles. If any of you watched Un Bore Mercher (Keeping Faith), the actor in that learnt Welsh very well and I wouldn't have been able to tell, had I not known. I think the difference was that she is married to a Welsh speaker.

They could just ask the Natasha actor, or consult me the TA threads

I picked up on the seaside towns because they are well-known touristy places, and seemed a bit like they had just picked those two because they were the first two seaside places that sprung to the SW's mind. There are seaside towns more well-known for their wonderful hufen iâ.

Sorry for going on but we had Welsh Pat who is only welsh when it suits her, Kenton poked fun at welsh place names, we had Reece who wasn't very nice to Fallon, then we had the slave masters, and now a lazy stereotype welsh mother.
I don't think they would dare do all this to another nationality.

I don't think they would dare do all this to another nationality

there's* *the comedy Scots person.

The stained glass window is absurd, egotistical and thoughtless. I am entirely on Hellin's side here.

I'm also on Helen's side about the window. Hopefully Pat and Tony intervene. Peggy will probably be dead before they get it through all the CofE paperwork too.

To my Midlands based ear they are all saying Seren incorrectly. Is the pronunciation right for Wales? Round here it's more like Seh-run.

I actually find the stained glass window idea quite offensive.

You really need some ego to think the entirely mundane event of the birth of babies (and sorry whilst it's obviously special to the parents, it really is mundane in the scheme of things) deserves a special stained glass window in the village church.

It's selfish, thoughtless, insensitive splashing the cash. I hope Alan says no.

When Peggy finally pops her clogs, I'm fully expecting to find she's arranged to have her stone tomb, topped with carved effigy, smack bang in the middle of St Stephen's.

People will come for miles to marvel at Ambridge's answer to Eleanor of Aquitaine. After all, although Eleanor was a mother of kings, Peggy is a mother of Archers.

I usually find Helen very self absorbed with no consideration for anyone else but I am absolutely on her side about the stained glass window nonsense and I find it surprising that no one else seems to think it's completely inappropriate to make such a song and dance about one set of great grandchildren over the others. even Tony, who has been on the wrong end of Peggy's favouritism himself, didn't really seem to get it and see the unfairness.