Discuss The Archers #107: Beware of the Dragon! Peggy's in her den awaiting bids - who gets the hoard and who gets flamed?

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads and @DadDadDad for being our resident statistician and keeping the ball rolling when Pseudo stepped back a bit.

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Thanks to @MrsGrindah for inspiration for the title of this thread. I was hoping to find a way to combine it with @C8H10N4O2's inspired suggestion of '"The Assumption of the Ambridge Angel' and @chemenger's comment 'I hope she gets kicked in the head by a horse and wakes up an atheist', but it all got a bit too lengthy.

Odds on Joe shuffling off this mortal coil before this thread ends? We've been marking/anticipating his passing for a while now.

Well birds not everyone can have high flying entrepreneurial jobs, or even wants one! It's more stress and responsibility. And never seeing the family.

birds - it doesn't have to be as downtrodden as Clarrie. Emma has far more spunk. Ed treats her far better than Eddie ever treated Clarrie, and the kids even are more self sufficient.
And I'm sure that Oliver wants to do something to help Ed (and Emma). I do think going to Italy has woken him from his period of grief since Caroline died; which actually I think was surprisingly realistically portrayed.

No I don't mean the job I mean the looking after everyone all the time and Eddie thinking an afternoon tea on her birthday makes it all ok.

But I don't think Emma does look after everyone all the time! Her relationship with Ed is far more balanced than Clarie and Eddies.
And one of Ed's complaint is that she didn't even notice he might need support recently.

I can't see anyone pandering to Eddie the same way Joe has always got everyone running after him. Eddie is feckless not a master manipulator. And both Ed and William have far more get up and go than their father (who at their age was still dreaming or only just given up on his Country and Western career).

Eddie thinking an afternoon tea makes it all ok That was Susan ! It was lunch for Emm's birthday; Eddie said he thought they needed time.

Susan is being stupid about it all.

No I don't mean Susan failed attempt at peacemaking. I mean a while back before all this happened. Clarrie got a special day for her birthday. Lower loxley or grey gables I can't remember which. An afternoon tea for her life of running after everyone. Ed is his fathers son. While Emma is organising the furniture to be returned, Ed can barely manage to go and see about a job his father has organised for him.

Yes wasn't Clarrie's birthday tea (or lunch?) at LL? Elizabeth invited her and the family to join a free tour of the attics, but she was reluctant because of Freddie's drug-taking (I think) which everyone pointed out was a bit hypocritical owing to Ed's history.

[Again, apologies if I have this wrong, I always drift off to TA. Sometimes difficult to know whether I have dreamt certain plot twists or not! ]

Poor Clarrie. Much under-valued. And I normally like Ed as a character but I do think him leaving Emma at this awful moment is pretty shoddy. I agree Birds he is too much like his father!

I suspect that I may be over invested in the Ed/Emma storyline though , last night I dreamt that dh was earnestly telling me that our bank had issued us with a massive fine, repossessed the house and started divorce proceedings due to my overdraft

Birdsdestiny you must have been very happy when reality dawned!

After an operation (so I'm blaming the anaesthetic!) I dreamt that Linda, Susan and Clarrie were gathered around my dining table sorting out children's clothes to give away. I couldn't understand why and was quite cross about the intrusion!

@Linseedlill - did you listen to it at bedtime during the Helen and Rob period. That would have given me nightmares!

No Taswama happily, I was listening to it during the day then! I have only been dreaming about TAs since using it as a (rather effective!) cure for menopausal insomnia!

Kate and Jakob are so being set up as a couple.

I know we have had this discussion before but Jakob must be autistic, otherwise I have no idea of what they are trying to do.

Oh dear Kate and Jakob is all sounding a bit Jane Austen.

Oh dear Kate and Jakob is all sounding a bit Jane Austen

Oh doesn't it just.

Btw , how dim does it make me that the penny has just dropped that the " they start off hating each other but we all know they are really made for each other" trope was invented by Jane Austen?

Will Ed and Emma re-bond in grief over Joe’s passing?

I don't think Ed is cowardly. I think he has simply noticed that Emma has not had a good word to say to him for some time, thinks him an inadequate human being, and doesn't really like him much. Staying in those circumstances is a mug's game, and the act of someone too cowardly to bite the bullet and leave.

Living with someone who thinks you the dregs and doesn't make much of a secret of caring more about furniture than about you is not really much use in the long term. Soul-destroying, in fact. I speak as one who knows. (And only got out rather late in the day after it had nearly killed me.)

the " they start off hating each other but we all know they are really made for each other" trope was invented by Jane Austen

Marguerita - I believe an earlier playwright (Shakespeare, I think was his name) may have used it, but maybe I'm making much ado about nothing.

DDD It's very Beatrice and Benedict isn't it?!

I believe an earlier playwright (Shakespeare, I think was his name) may have used it, but maybe I'm making much ado about nothing.
I was thinking that, not to mention The Taming of The Shrew (actually best not to mention TTOTS).

Best not Captain But much more relevant than Austen.

I couldn't compare Naked Jacob to Fitzwilliam Darcy no way!!

Did Kate send Jacob her standard follow up email, or did she compose one specifically for him? If the former, then l would have thought she would already have encountered the embarrassing consequences of its wording.

Asking I agree about Ed. it takes a lot of guts to leave a 'solid' relationship. Emma hasn't bothered (or had the time) to keep it 'watered' if you see what I mean. Though he could have thought a bit longer about the effect on the children.

Grrr They did that annoying thing again! This time with Adam trying to speak and Brian keep interrupting. Drives me nuts.

I saw that bust-up between Clarrie and Susan coming a mile off. It's a shame, because they are true friends.

Have they ever had a serious falling-out before?

Also, why does Adam always sound so utterly exhausted?

The only reason I can really hope for think of is that Ian must be insatiable