Discuss The Archers - yes, this really is Thread 103. Are you going to vote for feet, stations of the cross, or a hologram? Will Natasha ever return? Will Russ ever leave?

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Exciting times - this thread will witness our 100,000th post in this long-running unbroken chain of threads.

New and old posters welcome. Don't spoil with any future plotlines.

And if you need a beginners' guide see here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have

Carry on...

Tracey'd end up killing Will !! I don't reckon anyone's chances married to her.

Then we must keep planting it as an idea in the SWs’ minds.

Commiserations, ANutAsBigAsABoulder and thislido, but @lillypainter just made the 100,000th post!!!

I hope that's not too much of an anti-climax for everyone. But the real celebration is for the 99,999 posts that got us here. Thanks, everyone!

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The thing about Russ's gaffer tapes is that I found his explanation about boundaries quite interesting - if it had been someone talking like that on Front Row, I wouldn't have found it out of place.

🎉🎉🎉 to LilyPainter for tipping us into the big number!

@DDD, I could imagine Will Gompertz sagely nodding along as Russ spoke his arty waffle 😄

Congratulations everyone, especially the long term posters!

I thought the art sounded fine, but I like conceptual art (and figurative art).

See attached if you want to check my working. Note that post counts were correct at the time that discussion ended on that thread - comments added later or just to fill up the thread have been excluded.

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Congratulations to all of us!

Oh DDD, we trust your working

Gosh, Helen's persistent, isn't she

And did Shula say 'strewth?' Why, I wonder?

How nice that the 100,000 post was one poster thanking another for their helpfulness and knowledge regarding these threads.

And did Shula say 'strewth?' Why, I wonder? Why not? It's something I remember from a childhood near Ambridge. It's something I think of as quintessentially Borsetshire. Never heard it anywhere else. Though admittedly from Jill's generation rather than Shula's.

lido Why would anyone travel from Bristol for an installation that says What? Whatever you want it to say, duh. I could read a newspaper or listen to the media to get it. It says nothing new or clever about the exit subject.

Russ is a bigger bullshitter than I took him for . And Lizzie is more of an idiot too. Kenton has him nailed.

Hurrah! Well done, Lily. (Not a phrase one will often hear on this thread! )

Well done also to DDD for being our resident statistician!

Isn't 'strewth' a 'polite' way of saying "God's truth"? I may be wrong, it's like 'blimey' is asking god to blind you.

ppeat I actually just meant that I thought the art itself sounded fine rather than the entire situation was credible, but Bristol to the Ambridge area is about hour’s journey by car, mostly straight up the M5. I’ve made much longer journeys to exhibitions if they’ve caught my eye - simply because I like that kind of thing. I don’t know what thoughts or feelings they will provoke before I get there, that’s part of the point for me, the unexpected element.

It doesn’t sound like it would be for you, but you weren’t on Russ’s guest list As for it saying nothing new or clever, Shula seemed to surprise herself by getting something from it.

Remember that CMR was an experienced A level teacher. He can be a creepy bastard and knowledgeable about art at the same.

Aaah you are a Damien Hirst lover are you? Well all to their own. What I really dislike are the billionaires spending huge amounts of money while the world is going down the swanny. They could be buying and saving rainforests ! Sorry I'm in a bit of a bad mood this afternoon .

Boundaries aren't really his forte though.

Dad Art is subjective, if EVERYTHING is art then NOTHING is art, is it?

Boundaries aren't really his forte though.

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We can all be pretentious . The Emperor's New Clothes is my favourite fairy tale!!!!

Quite, birds

ppeat I’d recommend cheering yourself up with a bit of Jeremy Deller or Cornelia Parker. Damien Hirst’s work has never done anything for me.

Maybe write to Bill And Melinda Gates about the rainforests!

Why is it pretentious though? The thoughts and feelings it provokes are real, as are those of the artist who’s made it.

I’m not really bothered about the definition of what is and isn’t art. Can’t see how it matters really.

Of course people can be pretentious about art, the same what they can be pretentious about food or clothes or holidays or entertainment. But that’s got nothing to do with those things in themselves.

I'm not quite sure why you are imputing the claim that "EVERYTHING is art" to me - I don't believe that and never implied it!

I know defining art is an age-old debate, so I'm not going to get into that. However, if I experience a work of art and I'm still thinking about it the next day, or week or year, then I feel the art has some effectiveness.

If I experienced the gaffer tape and the next day I am walking around watching people behave with a heightened perception of boundaries around individuals and groups, then I would feel that the artist has achieved something (of course, that something may be transforming me into a pretentious idiot ). If my only thought is "oh, that reminds me, we're out of parcel tape - I must pop to Smiths", then the art has failed.

I didn't mean to impute that to you personally Dad This conversation has reminded me about a French artist with a sense of humour who exhibited a manufactured pissoir early in the last century, imagine the shock, a punter asked him, how is it art ? He replied "Because I put my name on it".