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*The Archers No.95* *Welcome to the 'real' world Ben and Ruarhi, the bad boys of on roading and welcome to the cereal cupboard little Rosie *!

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ppeatfruit · 14/11/2018 09:39

Thanks to witchmountain for the last thread and to dadx3 for Godfathering them! Also to any other posters whose ideas I have borrowed for the title.

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echt · 01/12/2018 20:41

A belated thought about Kenton's shopping of Russ to the college. It handily bears comparison to Harrison's arrest of Freddie, though he had the law on his side, of course.

onthenaughtystepagain · 01/12/2018 20:42

In any case, while "her" coordinated with another noun as subject is not grammatical in formal standard English, I think it's perfectly idiomatic in colloquial English and really doesn't register as "wrong" in the context of an internet forum. (If I saw it in a newspaper article, it would be more jarring).

Being colloquial and popular doesn't make it any less wrong or are we to accept 'I would of' in place of 'I would have', it's certainly used often enough. Poor grammar does grate, I still recall hearing Chris Woodhouse of Ofsted saying on Radio 4 ' Me and xxx saw the Minister....', I nearly pranged the car.

chemenger · 01/12/2018 21:06

For heaven’s sake drop the grammar pedantry, hasn’t it already caused enough trouble? Let’s live and let live.

Lovely episode yesterday, Lily may be comparing at contrasting the warm support she gets at home with propping up Russ in Manchester, and it never seems to rain in Ambridge, unlike her university city.

Fink · 01/12/2018 21:59

The thread's moved on a bit but there are plenty of other examples of young people being kept in Ambridge who realistically would have moved away. Alice, for example, with her nice local job rather than the stuff she actually trained for. And she's not even been speaking for months, so she's hanging around Ambridge needlessly.

DadDadDad · 01/12/2018 22:11

@onthenaughtystepagain

Being colloquial and popular doesn't make it any less wrong or are we to accept 'I would of' in place of 'I would have', it's certainly used often enough. Poor grammar does grate, I still recall hearing Chris Woodhouse of Ofsted saying on Radio 4 ' Me and xxx saw the Minister....', I nearly pranged the car.

Yes, I know "would of" is wrong - again I'd be shocked to see it in a newspaper, but not really fussed about it on MN. I mean, you've managed to use two comma splices in two sentences, which wouldn't be acceptable in a lot of professional writing, but I don't have a problem with you using such a colloquial and popular 'error' on a talk thread. Grin

But maybe we should take this argument to Pedants' Corner: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pedants_corner/3235416-Being-a-stickler-for-good-English-doesnt-mean-you-should-comment-on-others-grammar-and-spelling-uninvited

DadDadDad · 01/12/2018 22:17

Sorry, chemenger - I saw the post before yours and reacted. But you are right, and I'll bite my tongue on the pedantry.

birdsdestiny · 01/12/2018 22:21

If we are going to fight we need to at least fight about The Archers. I have always quite liked Shula. You are welcome.

cheminotte · 01/12/2018 22:26

Well Ruth is one of my favourite characters.

chemenger · 01/12/2018 22:28

I used to like Shula but recently she seems to be acting irrationally for no obvious r

Fink · 01/12/2018 22:30

I quite like Shula too. Well, maybe 'like' is too strong a word to describe the sentiment I feel towards her. 'Dislike less than the general consensus on here' might be better. She's ok. Far from the worst character: Susan Carter, I'm looking at you.

DadDadDad · 01/12/2018 22:30

Blimey - did someone take chemenger out mid-post for expressing a liking for Shula. Shock

birdsdestiny · 01/12/2018 23:15

I just think the way Shulas marriage ended is the way most marriages end . Most people aren't brave enough to be so honest. She didn't do anything that drastically wrong. And I loathed Matt.

DoctorTwo · 01/12/2018 23:15

Looks that way DCubed

LassWiADelicateAir · 02/12/2018 00:30

I loathed Matt and I don't like Lillian.

I don't like Lily much.

I like Roy and Harrison.

buckingfrolicks · 02/12/2018 01:05

What's so good and fascinating about TA is that each character is a mix of irritating foibles and sound qualities.

(Ooh did you see what I inadvertently did there? "Sound qualities" indeed). goes to bed feeling chuffed

chemenger · 02/12/2018 02:01

I’m still alive, just a phone malfunction.

witchmountain · 02/12/2018 07:53

Of course it was a plot device, what is TA if not a plot!

Characters.

I think that’s what makes people say “it was just a plot device” - it’s when they feel that the story is out of character.

Personally I though it was more out of character for Pip to apply for and manage to get a place on an international graduate trainee scheme rather than for her to opt out at the last moment. But I was disappointed anyway because I haven’t forgiven them for thwarting Alice. Despite the fact that I’ve never forgiven Alice for behaving so appallingly towards Ruairi when his mum died.

lottiegarbanzo · 02/12/2018 09:05

Yes, witchmountain, which takes me back to where I came in, asking whether anyone else feels that they're re-cycling old plot lines at the moment. Seeing and questioning plot-lines or devices makes you step out of your belief in the characters and their behaviour.

For that reason I've never forgoven them for killing Nigel, because of the way it was publicised in advance and clearly planned as 'we've got to do something big to get people's attention'. I didn't 'accept' his death until the characters reacted to it and there was no going back.

With Lily, the 'older man' and 'discovering the downside of being in charge of every aspect of your life' is entirely in character and long-signalled. I just find the 'relationship with lecturer' bit odd, because it seems so out of time, something people really did do back in Debbie's day but are all much more aware of the taboos around now, especially in a sixth form college.

The Pip job-chucking decision is debatable in character terms (I can see that the idea of being away from home, or any home, while moving around establishing the high-flying career might have hit Pip hard) but what irked me was the clear need to keep her in Ambridge to give the Fairbrethren something to do. Interacting with people you're not that close to is not a reason why people make decisions about jobs.

I've always thought that Rex is hanging around (character and plot) to be there for Pip, at some point in the distant future. If he got something going with Lily, maybe in five years when she's more mature, that will be the moment that Pip suddenly realises she wants him.

Bekabeech · 02/12/2018 09:38

Umm not that "out of time" a teacher at my DC's school suddenly returned to Canada after it was discovered he'd had a relationship with a Sixth Former. Young people might seem more sophisticated but they still make the same mistakes. And some people become teachers/lecturers for the wrong reasons.

cheminotte · 02/12/2018 10:21

I think the same themes coming up again are inevitable, that’s life really. Births, marriages, affairs, children, illness, death keep happening around me irl too.

Minimammoth · 02/12/2018 10:24

‘So Natash what prompted you to move from beauty to farming’
I may not have quoted 100% correct, but Grin

lottiegarbanzo · 02/12/2018 11:01

True, though I am starting to wonder whether there's an Ambridge death fairy, keeping Death himself at bay - so Peggy, Jill and Joe going for 'top character' and plot reasons - or whether they reflect lengthening lifespans and healthy old-age for many now.

onthenaughtystepagain · 02/12/2018 11:13

How old is Jazzer, do we know? I was shocked to discover that the boy-Tom is around 40!!

lottiegarbanzo · 02/12/2018 11:17

Not that Joe has ever been healthy, what with his farmer's lung. (He almost seems to have become healthier with old age).

I think Jazzer, Tom, Kirsty, Roy and Brenda are all late-30s, approaching 40. Hence Kirsty's unexpected and unexpectedly-wanted pregnancy being such a particularly poignant thing at the time.

Bittermints · 02/12/2018 11:17

With Peggy, Jill and Joe, I strongly suspect it's because the actors are still going strong. (Christine too.) There's a long tradition in TA of only killing the character off after the actor dies, or in a few cases if the actor retires. Sid Perks (Alan Devereux) fell into the latter category. Julia Pargetter (Mary Wimbush) was in the former category. She actually died at the Mailbox during a recording session, which necessitated some hasty re-writes. Phil Archer (Norman Painting) and Caroline Sterling (Sara Coward) also died in the series only because the actors had.

I know a few actors. Very few seem to relish the thought of retirement. They seem to carry on as long as they can. The precariousness of the profession must be a factor, as not many will have been able to make good pension provision earlier on.