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We never thought we’d feel sorry for Will. Although of course it should have been Pip! Discuss The Archers here (Titled edited by MNHQ)

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PseudoBadger · 02/03/2018 11:47

Welcome all! I was really touched by the potential for Ed and Will to reconcile. But wonder if Will can accept Ed’s support.

As ever, no spoilers here (there’s a thread for that) - discussion permitted as soon as the pm episode is broadcast.

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C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2018 23:10

If they could run a B&B there, are spare rooms going?

Eddie and Joe tried that by lying to Clarrie to say they had Oliver's agreement. Clarrie and Emma had to do all the work of course on top of their other jobs and then Clarrie found out Oliver hadn't agreed and Eddie/Joe had yet again put their home in jeopardy.

RubyLennoxExists · 02/03/2018 23:12

Justin is reeling Brian into something. ...
Justin is a vulture, circling the dying Brian Empire with the intention of getting some rich pickings one Brian goes bust.

DadDadDad · 02/03/2018 23:14

Caffeine - it appears your joke has unearthed a connection, according to Wikipedia:

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buckingfrolicks · 02/03/2018 23:17

It's Emma who ran down Matt. That's why Nic was so adamant that sorry wouldn't do.
And that's why Joe Grundy is so torn and determined not to believe Nics last words.
Well that's my theory. It's taken me most of the night to come up with that!

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2018 23:17

D3

You have no idea how pointlessly happy that makes me :-)

Vango · 02/03/2018 23:19

He’s the kind of bloke who wants his wife in the kitchen so that he always knows where she is, and can swagger about with a ‘my wife doesn’t need to work because I’m such a good provider’ air. All about him, no thought about her.

You could be describing Ed here. He wants exactly the same, as evidenced by his behaviour towards Emma when she took the chicken factory job so that the kids could have a trampoline. He believes that it’s his job to provide. Unfortunately for him, he hasn’t (until recently) had a steady income to support that aspiration.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2018 23:21

And that's why Joe Grundy is so torn and determined not to believe Nics last words.

I'm not convinced its anything to do with running down Matt. That stinks of red herring - lets face it the LSWs have made it possible for just about everyone in Ambridge to have run down Matt. (now there is a thought - Murder on the Ambridge Express?).

To be consistent with Joe's reaction I'd expect it to be something that affects the Grundys specifically (like Poppy not being Will's or Nic embezzling from the church).

LillianGish · 02/03/2018 23:22

I'm just going to repeat something I said at the very end of the old thread - I find the BL machinations tedious beyond belief (not remotely interested in Annabelle and Martin or whatever their names are - can't even be bothered to learn their names). Listening to Justin boring on this evening about board meetings just sends me to sleep. Far more interesting to hear Brian's interaction with Will - Brian must understand to a certain extent what Will is going through having lost Siobhan when Ruari was a baby. There was a certain irony in listening to Will give it to Brian with both barrels after criticising Emma for having done just that not so long ago.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2018 23:26

There was a certain irony in listening to Will give it to Brian with both barrels after criticising Emma for having done just that not so long ago.

Its consistent with how Will's character has been drawn though that anything bad must be someone else's fault whilst anything good is on his own merit.

I suspect Brian will "forget" about it and put it down to grief but perhaps the LSWs are going to use this to swap Will/Ed job situations with Ed now being on PAYE.

Vango · 02/03/2018 23:27

There was a certain irony in listening to Will give it to Brian with both barrels after criticising Emma for having done just that not so long ago.

Except that Brian approached Will, at his own house. Not quite the same as Will marching up to Home Farm to vent his fury.

Vango · 02/03/2018 23:29

I find the BL machinations tedious beyond belief

Me too.

Vango · 02/03/2018 23:30

perhaps the LSWs are going to use this to swap Will/Ed job situations with Ed now being on PAYE

Presumably Ed’s new job is as much at risk as Will’s?

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2018 23:35

Except that Brian approached Will, at his own house. Not quite the same as Will marching up to Home Farm to vent his fury

I don't understand? Brian went to see Will to offer condolences and regrets (although its hardly his fault).

Presumably Ed’s new job is as much at risk as Will’s?

You mean if Home Farm lose the BL contract? If Ed is employed under the contract he could well TUPE across. Hard to say. I was thinking Will might be at risk not because of the dodgy state of Home Farm but because externalising blame for something which really has no blame (in the personal sense) will affect his ability to work.

Vango · 02/03/2018 23:53

I don't understand? Brian went to see Will to offer condolences and regrets (although its hardly his fault).

I was responding to Lillians comment about the irony of Will reprimanding Emma for her attack on Brian. I don’t think the two exchanges are comparable.

Re. Ed. Home Farm are bleeding cash right now. Their insurance might not cover the costs. Brian may face a hefty fine and/or jail. They may not be able to afford Ed.

LillianGish · 03/03/2018 06:57

The reason I commented on the irony is because it was in part Emma’s outburst at Brian that sparked the latest falling out between Ed and Will and Nic and Emma that ended with the row in the pub and Nic getting sacked. Will was furious with Emma because he believed in sucking up to Brian at all times. He now realises that this policy has not served him well - if he’d insisted on his day off he would have been with Nic. Their row reflects this realisation to me - especially the comments about staying on while Brian got drunk. Will put ingratiating himself with his boss before getting home to his wife. Now he wishes he had not made this his priority.

Aethelthryth · 03/03/2018 07:05

Lillian Spot on about Will I think.

RubyLennoxExists · 03/03/2018 07:15

Despite what he said to Brian last night Will enjoyed his evening/day out with Brian. He came back to Nic in a very good mood and telling her he'd be taking her dancing soon.

I find the whole Danara/BL stuff tedious too, really don't care.

BertrandRussell · 03/03/2018 07:22

Will wasn’t grieving when he was unforgivable about women in the cricket team, about Ed’s cows being stolen, about Nic’s job, about Nic talking to Emma, about Emma becoming a Counsellor - and a load of other nasty, mean spirited, sexist things.

MrsKwazii · 03/03/2018 08:46

C8H10N4O2 Eddie was a chauvinist pig during the B&B running too - enthusiastic about the money but no care given to running Clarrie into the ground with even more work.

I was trying to work out that if they had capacity for B&B guests, whether there was space for Will and Poppy to move in too. Although I can’t see how Will, Ed and Emma under one roof would work.

LillianGish · 03/03/2018 09:41

All those things are true Bertrand I don’t think Will’s particularly likeable, but I think he is an interesting character. He thinks he’s the fine, upstanding brother who always does the right thing - that’s why he owns his own home (completely forgetting that he was the brother who won the inheritance lottery), has a steady job (prompting the sucking up to Brian) and looks after his wife and kids so well (with his old-fashioned, paternalistic approach) Now this random event has tipped his world view on its head. He’s questioning why he wasn’t at home looking after his wife and noticing how ill she was, why he was out currying favour with his boss instead and it must be dawning on him that being financially better off than the rest of the family doesn’t count for much when your wife is dead. So yes - all of those things you list, but my God he’s being punished for it.

JessieMcJessie · 03/03/2018 10:50

Brilliant analyses Lilliangish

OuaisMaisBon · 03/03/2018 11:04

Thank you for the new thread, Pseudo.
LillianGish, wanted to say your analysis of Will's character and situation is spot on.
In random order: I too am suspicious of Justin's motives; I also think that Alice is protesting too much about her boss and suspect she is covering up an affair with him or (less likely, perhaps) a massive bollocking from him; I have no idea what Nic whispered to Joe; I don't care who ran Matt over; I wish Oliver was around; and finally, I don't remember any reason why Mia and the other one's father couldn't look after his own children now their mother is dead - has he been portrayed as a bad, feckless, parent, or did they have shared custody?

EBearhug · 03/03/2018 11:12

I agree that Will grieving only explains part of how he is reacting - most of it is his character, which is nasty. I can't find many redeeming features in Will, if any, whereas at least Pip is merely self-centred - she's not nasty in the way Will is.

GnotherGnu · 03/03/2018 11:22

Will's underlying spitefulness came out when he instantly assumed that Ed must have "grassed" on him to Clarrie. Given that Ed was being nothing but supportive, that was particularly nasty.

LillianGish · 03/03/2018 12:11

He does have a nasty streak, but it is the fact that he is a flawed character which is what makes his situation so interesting. If this had happened to a “nice” character it would be much less interesting (if it was Will who had died instead of Nic for instance). Everyone would have rallied round (much as they did with Oliver) and she would have accepted help. Will isn’t someone who wants to be helped or pitied - he wants to be the one who is in the position of strength - untouchable because (in his opinion) he never puts a foot wrong. That’s why he needs to find someone to blame.