We never thought we’d feel sorry for Will. Although of course it should have been Pip! Discuss The Archers here (Titled edited by MNHQ)

[PseudoBadger]

Welcome all! I was really touched by the potential for Ed and Will to reconcile. But wonder if Will can accept Ed’s support.

As ever, no spoilers here (there’s a thread for that) - discussion permitted as soon as the pm episode is broadcast.

Title edited edited by MNHQ will have late arrivals wondering what spoiler they missed (I also love the fact that in removing a typo they have inserted a new one )

And I have inserted a my own typo

I wondered if the SWs even bothered to google "hang gliding while pregnant"

I thought it was gliding rather than hang gliding?

I thought it was gliding rather than hang gliding?

Oh, my mistake - I didn't hear the scene on TA, and I may not have been paying attention to the discussion on the last thread.

Just listening to last night's. Can understand bereavement takes you in funny ways, but Will is responding in such an absolutely Will way - i.e., like a massive dickhead.

I may not have been paying attention to the discussion on the last thread

I'm Shocked! Not paying attention to TA is one thing but...

I'm pretty sure it was gliding but either way if the glider crashed straight into Brookfield (allowing for miraculous escape of pilot but noone else) I wouldn't be weeping.

And I agree with Lilian about everything except the idea that he will apologise in time. He'll maybe grudgingly admit to Clarrie, when she tells him he's really upset that he hurt his grandfather 'i might have been a bit harsh but it weren't my fault mum' and she'll say 'course it wasn't, you mustn't blame yourself', and then Will will magnimously be marginally less unpleasant than he usually is with everyone to Joe, which will be understood to be as close as he gets to an apology.

Horrible man!

Abolutely right, I think, Seek.

Will's view of his family, and particularly Ed, has been predicated on how well everything is going for him, with the (generally) unspoken assumption that it's because he's such a superior human being. With that view, this total and utter catastrophe must mean that he's done something wrong, but he can't allow himself to admit that (even if it is ridiculous, as of course he hasn't). Hence at least some of the anger.

New thread already! Gosh. Thanks, Pseudo!

unless you mean warming your hands at a good old wickering on Lakey Hill Bags I sell the tickets!

I know why Joe is so worried about what Nic said on her deathbed, and why she had to wait until Will was out of the room.

It is Will who ran over Matt Crawford.

Ooh anapple - that’s a scary thought. Does it fit? Where was he? How would she have found out? And why would Will keep quiet if he knocked someone over? Fine upstanding member of the community that he is? And I don’t recall him having any quarrel with Matt. And ... And ...

I’d like to take issue with the thread title if you please. I may be a lone voice but I knew I’d feel sorry for Will. I don’t believe he’s the monster some of you believe him to be.

Thanks for the new thread Pseudo .

TA being discussed on feedback now on R4

Thanks Pseudo

I have always loathed Willyum but Ed's right - he is in hell right now. Even he can be forgiven for that outburst. I hope Clarrie and Eddie live good, long lives or them kiddies are going to have a very embittered upbringing!

I wonder if JakenMia's Dad will want them back? Poss storyline?

Neither A-Lush nor Gives Me the Pip would be mourned here. Killing them off might be a bit brutal but can't A-Lush hi and start a new life in Bulgaria? Christopherrrr would be heartbroken for a bit but I'm sure he'd meet someone much nicer eventually. Kate should stay in SA too!!

The Adam/Ian/Lexi SL is getting absurd. If JD doesn't ease off Lexi will run for the hills!!

I don’t believe he’s the monster some of you believe him to be I agree Vango I think Will is the product of his upbringing. His character is a reaction to having Eddie has a father - Eddie is the opposite of a role model for him. Will is determined to be a reliable husband and provider - unlike his father who lost the tenancy of Grange Farm and had to move his family to Meadow Rise. He feels sorry for his mum (as we all do sometimes) having to put up with Eddie’s unproductive money-making schemes and doesn’t want his wife to have to put up with what she has to put up with. I believe this was the reason behind not wanting Nic to have to work and comparisons with Knob are erroneous. He is trying provide for his wife what his father could never provide for his mother. That’s why he can’t believe Emma chose Ed over him. Where he is wrong is in thinking all his success is down to his own efforts - he remembers Ed’s fecklessness and drug taking and sees him as undeserving while forgetting that he himself had a huge leg up from his inheritance and from having Caroline as a Godmother. That undeserving Ed stole Emma, the love of his life from him, was almost more than he could bear. Will is essentially a plodder and lacks emotional intelligence as a pp pointed out - you can see why Emma preferred Ed in the end (fighting her mother’s genes which would have been urging her to go for the better financial bet). Will of course is completely unable to see this which is why she didn’t choose him.

Hello
So much to think about - and catch up on.

Will of course is completely unable to see this which is why she didn’t choose him.

I agree with everything you said Lillian. This point, though, isn’t quite so straightforward. Emma did choose Will - at least twice. I don’t think he’d feel so bitter about the pair of them if Emma (who dumped him for Ed, then went out with him again after the crash) hadn’t actually gone through with the wedding!

And I remember Emma subsequently dumping Ed, only finding her interest re-ignited once Fallon and Ed started seeing each other!

I agree Vango.

Oh - that dinner party ...

Will is determined to be a reliable husband and provider ... He feels sorry for his mum ... and doesn’t want his wife to have to put up with what she has to put up with. I believe this was the reason behind not wanting Nic to have to work and comparisons with Knob are erroneous.

If that is true then I question his logic. There is nothing to stop them both working, they can both be providers. He can see plenty of examples around the village of couples where both work.
He is a dinosaur with Knob tendencies.

Alice is feeling guilty because she shagged that guy at her work that she finds ‘annoying’

I’m slightly annoyed at Joe for putting pressure on Will to go to Poppy. Will said that he’d be there in a few minutes - they should have coped.

This is what I wrote immediately after Nic died. That was how I heard it then so I’m not surprised at Will’s outburst. I agree, poor Joe. But I understand Will’s strength of feeling.