The Archers: Will Lillian decide what MATTers JUST IN time? Discussion #82

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Discuss The Archers here, the long-running thread series started by PseudoBadger. Maybe my puns will tempt her back to take the reigns?

I think Sleeping Beauty references can wait until the next thread which will probably cover much of December.

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The Archer women didn't exactly cover themselves in glory tonight. Difficult to decide which one was the worst.

pip was in it so it's a no brainer

Why is Lillian being so dense? She knows that she was sneaking around with Matt behind Justin's back - Cheltenham, for example. Why the outrage?

I think she's full of indignation that the king of sex outside of marriage has advised her of sleeping with Matt when she didn't. Therefore she sees herself as innocent in the whole thing...

Why is Lillian being so dense? She knows that she was sneaking around with Matt behind Justin's back - Cheltenham, for example. Why the outrage?

But Justin does not know that does he? So she still thinks she has done nothing wrong.

And fgs why isn't she picking up the phone to the solicitor about what is happening re the trust? And no matter how upsetting it might be to Christine they have to go to the police.

But Justin does know because interfering Ian told him, Lillian doesn't realise this though. Can't stand Ian - honesty is only paramount when he's interfering in other people's affairs.

Oh I'd forgotten that. I've gone right off Ian recently.

Peggy & Christine have been to the police, Christine came out saying she thought Inspector Thorpe would be able to get her money back. They caught a taxi for their return journey.

Can't stand Ian - honesty is only paramount when he's interfering in other people's affairs.

Hang on a little minute there. Honesty is paramount to Ian full stop. And when has he been anything other than honest himself? It's all he's ever asked for from Adam. And his experience of the lack of it has jeopardised relationships that are important to him.

Much as I love her, Lillian is the architect of her own downfall here. She got involved with someone with a steely and ruthless character. He wasn't ever going to put up with any messing around.

Wasn't Justin suspected of playing away on his Scotland trip?

They are as bad as each other.

Looks like Lillian will be losing her house. At least she's still got Amside.

Totally agree. I have no sympathy for Lillian either - I just think that Ian has been so unsympathetic to Roy's position. Ian would do the same in that position, go to the police etc. In fairness he's never said Roy shouldn't have, he's just being infuriating, as people who desperately want babies often are IRL.

I was never a Lillian fan, but I lost all sympathy over the way she treated Miranda.

And Adam and Ian are driving me mad at the moment. They are both insufferable.

But Grey Gables Is bloody lucky Ian didn't walk out over the way Lexi spoke to him.......

Ian wasn’t just honest but plain interfering. What relationship do Ian and Justin have? The husband of Justin’s fiancée’s nephew? Or an employee of a restaurant/hotel that Justin occasionally uses? They are in no way friends.

And it wasn’t about what was best for Justin but Ian’s issues with Adam. And he wasn’t very honest then as he ignored the issue for a long time - until it became public. He knew from before his wedding until the trial but said nothing.

Definitely interfering but I'm glad Lexi spoke up. It was high time someone did. If Ian is Having issues with orders and insulting customers then he's doing more harm to GG than good in his current headspace. As FOH staff Lexi has every right to raise these concerns too.

Bert If Lexi is the maitre d' then she's on the same managerial level as Ian (i think) I'm not fully au fait with the intricacies of restaurant hierarchies. She told him the truth. He would be stupid to walk away.

And it wasn’t about what was best for Justin but Ian’s issues with Adam. And he wasn’t very honest then as he ignored the issue for a long time - until it became public. He knew from before his wedding until the trial but said nothing.

And suffered the consequences. Which he doesn't want to see repeated. Come on. Ian's not responsible for anyone else's' lack of honesty surely?

Ian got involved/dragged into with the Justin/Lillian situation purely because it was preoccupying Adam so much. Adam regularly relayed his angst about Lillian to Ian at a time that Ian felt they should be more focussed on the baby. The baby that Adam suggested they have. Ian's belief that L&J should sort it out between themselves isn't completely incomprehensible.

But Ian told Justin that Matt had asked her to leave with him, but given that she was at the ball with him, her decision was obvious!

I think Ian also said he'd been phoning her, but nothing about them meeting up etc (unless I missed that bit?)

Ps. I haven't even heard yesterday's episode but I'm blinkered when it comes to lovely Ian .

Honesty is paramount to Ian full stop. And when has he been anything other than honest himself?

Nonsense on a stick, Vango. As has already been pointed out, Ian kept looking the other way (in best JD fashion), and threw Helen under the bus rather than confront Adam and rock the boat. Personally, I think the writers' desperation to engineer a creaking plot via improbable confrontations accounts for Ian's reveal to Justin; but if, as you say, it's because he thought Adam's preoccupation with Lill's sex life (grim!) was interfering with the hatching of the Precious Baby, then that argues for a rather self-centred view of the moral universe, does it not, as opposed to an absolutist 'honesty is paramount because a virtue in service of nothing but itself.'

Glad that Lill is both seeing Justin for the hard-ball bastard he is, AND getting her desserts for her stupidity and dishonesty. She's still lying and conniving.

Actually I take that last comment back.

What relationship do Ian and Justin have? The husband of Justin’s fiancée’s nephew?

Ian's lumbered with someone who consistently prioritises his aunt's love life and affairs over his own. If my husband was so preoccupied with his aunt's escapades (to the point of punching one of her suitors), when we were actively trying to engage a surrogate, I'd be livid.

As has already been pointed out, Ian kept looking the other way (in best JD fashion), and threw Helen under the bus rather than confront Adam and rock the boat.

That whole episode was much more nuanced than that. Ian had, by that time, been all but abandoned by Helen (as he saw it). As far as he was concerned she had betrayed him too.

Come on Vango Matt was viciously, provocatively homophobic to Adam, it would be unusual for anyone to walk away from it. disregarding his Aunt's exploits.

"As far as he was concerned she had betrayed him too."

But he knew what Rob was doing. He knew. If I had to pick someone I couldn't forgive over the Rob storyline, I would find it hard to choose between Pat and Ian......

Hmm, I'm not sure what's happening with Amside. Wasn't Justin trying to get Lillian to sign some papers (with some urgency) so that Amside "came under the Damara umbrella", and does that mean hat Lillian may have relinquished control over Amside? I don't know how these things work!

Adam sought out Matt to warn him away from Lillian.

Matt wound Adam up.

Adam took a swing at Matt.

Adam told Ian a half-story.

Ian worried that the Adam / Matt situation could jeopardise their chance of a baby.

Ian told Justin about the phone calls Matt was making to Lillian.

Adam was trying to end the Lillian / Matt situation without Lillian getting hurt. Ian was also trying to end the Lillian / Matt situation, but he didn't care whether Lillian got hurt or not; the person he was trying to protect was his husband Adam. I don't think it's fair to say it was no business of Ian's; it became his business when his husband Adam allowed himself to become embroiled.