Quelle surprise! Rob hasn't FOTTFSOF and is in fact hiding in the bushes at Henwee's school. Discuss the latest unlikely Archers events here.

[PseudoBadger]

What do we want?
Realistic storylines!
When do we want them?
As soon as the writers see this!

I think I have a calm, peaceful one. Happy to take suggestions though - have there been any pleasant quotes recently?

Could someone be paddling their own huge canoe? Or a tasting platter of tepid amuse bouche?

Listening now. So sad

Also another note, I've not been listening as long as some of you have and I really don't understand all the Helen hate???

I think I will skip last night's ep. Poor Kirsty. :-(

Hate give it time...

And I say that as someone who quite likes Helen in many ways - but yes, she can be awfully self--centred and irritating. Though as ever it's hard to tell if it's genuinely the character or bad/convenient writing (eg Henry not talking to a therapist etc).

Neither do I Hate. She's been through an awful lot and I have a huge amount of sympathy for her. But I guess many listeners won't allow her to move on from her past mistakes. People change, and I think Helen has.

I've been listening for years and years and years.

Oh Lord I missed last night's, I'll have to LA . I never thought that would've happened

Bad stuff happens to women in the Archers who want to lead even reomotely unconventional lives. Because TASWAMA.

Because TASWAMA.

Are you including the women writers?

Bad stuff also happens to men in the Archers. Because?

On another note, the chap who told Kirsty the bad news. He called her Kirsty, while naming himself as Mr. Arrogant an unmannered, or SWs who don't know the etiquette of titles.

And while I'm here, this is the umpteenth episode of TA where someone tells someone else not to be silly after expressing worry/concern. How fucking rude is that? It's a plague in the TA scripts and such a pisser, a classic unthinking dismissal of the validity of the first speaker. Why not: I'm happy to help, it's no bother to me?

Bad stuff also happens to men in the Archers. Because?

because it's a soap and bad stuff happens more than IRL. Bad stuff also happens to some of the women who want entirely conventional lives. I'm not totally convinced the storylines are more sexist than real life.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/2853349-Male-or-female-young-or-old-Bad-Stuff-can-happen-to-you-in-The-Archers-Discuss-the-perils-of-Ambridge-life-here?watched=1

Because TASWAMA.

Are you including the women writers?"
Yes.

How differently we hear things.

Oh, and Tom's lost a baby too.

Does Tom yet know he's lost a baby? It wasn't clear to me if he had made it to the hospital. I think they had told him he should go there, but nothing more, that I heard.

That comment was in response to the misogyny accusations.

Ref. Misogny in TA. I agree with Errol and Vango. Also I remember we have had this conversation before and (most of us) came to the conclusion that TA reflects RL so neither specifically sexist or otherwise.

I think there is some unrealistic misogyny - but more the stuff like Alice, with a good engineering degree somehow morphing into a bit of an airhead.

There IS some snobbery about farming on here though , why should being involved with high tech farming machinery be more air headery than aeronautics?

No, it wasn't that aspect I was thinking of in the least (hadn't even occurred to me that high tech farm stuff might be viewed that way) - it was the idiotic way she was behaving re presentations and the thing with Ed.

I don't think the scriptwriters are misogynistic. No more than real life.

There's a new thread (pseudo's post at 10:09), so move along now...