Surprise surprise - Kirsty has a Mini Sausage Roll in the oven! Discuss the Archers here

[PseudoBadger]

Happy New Year to you all.

Yes - that seems to have been dropped

I agree Dragon but Tom's expectation was the same as Rob's - that "his" woman will do as he determines, because he must be right and knows what's best for both of them.

Tom was always like that which is why Brenda left I think. Both she and Kirsty would just tell him to bog off and he wouldn't push it (as rob would). I guess that's the difference between Tom and rob - rob wants, needs and believes he should be in control. Tom is ultimately egocentric and just gets it wrong. Very tiresome to live with but I don't think abusive.

Actually, I'm listening now and I take back my earlier comment about 'bad' writing. When Tom suggested moving in together (only) Kirsty's response was "It would be different if we were a couple". She also said "I'm really impressed that you're taking it all so seriously". To which Tom replied "OK then, we'll talk again".

I suspect Tom naively thought he was suggesting the right thing when he proposed marriage.

Fwiw I don't think he's controlling or abusive.

Ha!

K: "Is there really much else to say?"

T: "Yes, it's because of the stuff you said the other day"

Tom got the wrong end of the stick.

Gruach Sharon was Sharon Richards, teenage single mother to Kylie, whose father was Clive Horrobin. Pat gave her a job and let her live in a caravan on BF (I think). She then enthralled John, who was several years younger than her.

Ah, thanks. I knew their was a Horrobin connection!

But - with Clive Horrobin being father to Johhny's half sister, and Tracy therefore Kylie's aunt - Tom's introduction of Johnny to Tracy seems a bit odd.

Actually, I'm listening now and I take back my earlier comment about 'bad' writing.

Doncha love TA? I've listened all week then just listened to the film. So many little hints and nuances that you miss first time round. It really does reward dedicated listening (now that we are back to proper TA).

It's a full time job R4! 😁

NC, I'm still in the Kirsty and Roy fanclub though tbh I reckon the hints that way are too heavy to be anything but misdirection.

Tom annoys me. How arrogant to assume Kirsty will just fall in with his plans after how he treated her?

Vango and R4, you have made me feel better. When I catch the afternoon edition, I always hear nuances I missed the night before. I thought I was overthinking it all.

It did sound as though the SL had forgotten that Tracey is Johnny's (step?) aunt.
Johnny was saying she'd be quite hot if she wasn't so old, but in real life surely he'd be eeeugghh! she's Kylie's auntie!!

Then again maybe he's forgotten as well; he may only have met her for the first time a few years ago. And avoided her ever since, like most of Ambridge avoid the Horrobins.

I'm still not clear on the Horrobin connection. What are the relationships between Soosan, Clive and Tracy?

They are siblings

There's also a Keith (another bad 'un) & I think one other?

Father Bert is still alive & living with Tracy in Ambridge. Mother was Ivy (?) & she died a few years ago

TWO more - Gary & Stewart. Can't remember ever hearing about Stewart

Keith nearly killed Emma & family in an arson attack at Brookfield. They're a lovely lot apart from Susan

They're a lovely lot apart from Susan.

See, that's why I have a soft spot for Susan. When you see her roots (and where the rest of the family still are) and then see where she is now, I can forgive a bit of Hyacinth-Bucket-ing although she is really dreadful sometimes eg this week, discussing father figures for Tracey's DC in front of Helen.

So Susan is related to the Bridge Farm lot as aunt to Jonny's half-sister, as well as being MIL to an Aldridge? It's all very incestous.

I think small communities are like that, even now.

I don't think that's a relationship Susan ever mentions, unlike her alliance with Home Farm. 'one of my dangerous criminal brothers knocked up the same girl as your dead son' isn't a relationship she'd want to broadcast (though doubtless she would if it was someone else's)

It's a good point though - surely Johnny knows about Kylie's dad? Sharon & Kylie kept in touch with the Horrobins, didn't they? I'm sure there was an SL about it before Johnny appeared.

Sharon and Kylie came to Ivy Horrobin's funeral; that was when we first heard about Sharon's younger Son "Ritch", who was gradually revealed as John's son.

I've just been reading up on that on blessed Lowfield

(It's Nov 2011 if anyone else feels the need)

Well, as we have all suspected, Keri Davies has just confirmed on Twitter that he had forgotten about the relationship. What a false economy it was not to replace the archivist.

BEST line of the year so far!

(Prize sow ..)