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The Archers - We Listen So You Don't Have To

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PseudoBadger · 10/04/2016 09:04

Happy(?!) Sunday everyone Brew Cake

What will this week have in store for us I wonder?

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SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/04/2016 19:09

Re. Henry, if he is already settled at BF would he not be more likely to be left with blood relatives, despute PR. It would be a hard hearted SW that sent him back to a house where he witnessed a stabbing.

AugustaFinkNottle · 16/04/2016 19:13

I'm not sure that SWs would have a say in where Henry lives as against someone with parental responsibility.

AugustaFinkNottle · 16/04/2016 19:13

Actually, I was interpreting SW as social worker. If it meant scriptwriter, what I just wrote is rubbish.

DadDadDad · 16/04/2016 19:14

Getting confused here, because some of you are using SW = scriptwriter, some SW = social worker, I think!

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/04/2016 19:39

BlushI meant SW. In order to get Henry, Rob would have to take him from BF. If they oppose him taking him then SW or courts would be involved.

enochroot · 16/04/2016 19:49

Is it generally assumed amongst us that Rob will be vengeful?

Yes, it's out of his hands whether or not Helen is tried but will he want anything more? He must know he'll never get a penny out of her family now and if he tried to get anything then there are things he might want to hide which aren't relevant to Helen's trial but would be better kept quiet in a civil case over money.
He probably doesn't want Henry either and his dream of the happy family are turned to ashes now so what will he actually want as an outcome once Helen is found guilty? Will he even want the baby now the framework he envisaged has fallen apart?
Then again, he's not the type to just slink off quietly.

GrumpyOldBag · 16/04/2016 19:52

Does anyone think that when Rob comes round he won't remember what happened?

That's quite common in traffic accidents etc...

Thymeout · 16/04/2016 20:03

Is there any way of getting parental responsibility revoked?

Unless Helen is overcome with remorse and has regressed into thinking it's her fault, she would not now want him to have it and his getting it in the first place was conditional on her approval as his birth parent.

Wolpertinger · 16/04/2016 20:05

Rob is a narcissist - I don't think he'll want Henwee except as a tool to piss off Helen. He will be raging that Helen acted of her own free will and so yes I think he'll either be vengeful or manipulating or both.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/04/2016 21:21

Rob must already have come round. We just aren't hearing what he has been saying - a plot device as they ate trying to show characters e.g. Peggy, Susan, Emma and Ed speculating with very little information and the direction in which their sympathies lies teveals quite a lot about their character and what they thought of H and/or R.

So Peggy and Susan - judgy team Rob.
Pat, Tom, Emma, Jill- bewildered and convinced Helen must have a reason. Team Helen.
Ed and Neil open minded - you don't know what goes on.
Jazzer - judgy but neutral. His remarks favoured neither side.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 16/04/2016 21:34

Going back a bit to Hewee's testimony I don't think that has very much to do with Helen being charged with attempted murder. I think based on my considerable viewing of TV detective shows that they had to charge her with something due to the custody time limit nearly being up. They took the attempted murder option because based on the information they had at that time (stabbed Rob seriously ill in hospital, Helen having admitted to Kirsty she'd done it, no visible signs of a break in or other suspect, Helen covered in blood etc etc) and Helen refusing to talk they had no option really. Also they can reduce the charge at a later date.

I understand from the telly the CPS would already be involved at the charging stage and would look at the evidence and give advice. I think based on what they would know, and because they don't know everything we know, they would find it very hard to find another charge in the circumstances.

I'm hoping Rob being in hospital and unable to manipulate and control things is going to lead to a drip, drip of evidence that will then prompt others to start thinking and piecing things together. I bet he's been fiddling records at the shop to make himself look better and he's almost certainly been spending all Helen's money so something will come out there. I wouldn't be surprised if when winding up Berrow the auditors find errors in the records and a financial black hole. We might also get some dirt on his culvert activities. Part of Rob's nature is to control and manipulate to make himself look better and if he's not around to do it then the whole lot can quickly unravel.

Years ago when I had cause to be involved in financial crime (avoiding it and sorting out the mess afterwards, not bank robbing) there were lots of tells to look for to catch a thief: personal finances a mess, overly friendly or charming, always at work, surrounds themselves with dimwits... occasionally breathtakingly arrogant. Rob matches a few of these.

AnnieNoMouse · 16/04/2016 22:53

I wouldn't be surprised if Rob loses all interest in Henwee now - Henwee came as a package with Helen and was part of what needed to be controlled or disposed of (hence the boarding school plan.) while Knob got his own flesh and blood in the shape of SOK.
Henwee will stay with Pat. SOK will be ripped from Helen's breast as soon as Rob can manage it and will disappear into the ether until approximately 2036 when SOK, Henwee, Johnny and COTAK will have a huge bust-up over their entitlement to Bridge Farm.
COTAK - child of Tom and Kirsty

AugustaFinkNottle · 16/04/2016 22:54

I had the impression that what finally decided the police to go for attempted murder was Ursula's evidence about Helen threatening to kill Knob, and Helen admitting to it in interview.

lottiegarbanzo · 17/04/2016 00:30

Can someone remind me, does marriage mean that Rob is automatically named on SOK's birth certificate? Is there no way Helen can refuse, or rush through a divorce in two months?

Would make him vengeful though. Think he'll want to spirit SOK away to be reared by Ursula and hired help, until he can persuade a wife no.3 to fall for his sob story.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 17/04/2016 01:09

He'll be named automatically.
However he doesn't automatically get custody. That should be decided 'in the best interest of the child'.

AnnieNoMouse · 17/04/2016 08:49

Small - but I guess that if Rob has sufficiently recovered by the birth and Helen is still in jail then the default will be that the baby will go to him - who can argue against that given that the mother is facing an attempted murder conviction and there is no credible evidence that Rob is lacking in parenting skills/likely to put child at risk?

WipsGlitter · 17/04/2016 09:01

I agree if Rob recovers he will try and get Henry.

Why have we not heard from Ian!?!!

AnnieNoMouse · 17/04/2016 09:02

I think Rob would also be in with a good chance of getting Henwee back too, providing too much time doesn't elapse since the assault. But I also think he won't want him, he'll be glad to see the back of him.
Interesting that Ursula has apparently shown no interest in Henwee either.

Gruach · 17/04/2016 09:13

Hardy? Tess?

I'm not sure EastEnders is quite sufficient for such an heir to genius ...

BiscuitMillionaire · 17/04/2016 09:15

Heads up! Sean O'Connor is on BH this morning, not yet though. They already mentioned he based SL on Tess.

BiscuitMillionaire · 17/04/2016 09:17

X post. But quite.
So we assume Hells is doomed then?

Gruach · 17/04/2016 09:34

Teasing response (not a spoiler) - they're thinking 20 years hence ...

BiscuitMillionaire · 17/04/2016 09:34

'Dripping misery into our ears' for next thread title?

Gruach · 17/04/2016 09:39

Tess, Gaslight, The Secret Agent ...

But at least an acknowledgment that Tim Stimpson had the original idea for the character of Rob.

WipsGlitter · 17/04/2016 09:42

He's not interested in Henry per se but the control he can have over Helen through it.