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In honour of how The Archers threads began: Why are the SWs allowing this to happen?

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PseudoBadger · 08/01/2016 00:09

The very first thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/a1740045-Why-is-Lillian-allowing-this-to-happen

40k posts later....

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BYOSnowman · 15/01/2016 22:50

Go onto lowfield for the summary

From what I read he snogged Charlie and told him he loves him and then it ended

Hadron21 · 15/01/2016 23:10

Adam went to Charlie's goodbye party without Ian. They went outside to talk and kissed.

Can fine one remind me what Rob did at Berrow that was so bad?

BitOutOfPractice · 15/01/2016 23:37

Was generally incompetent I think

polyhymnia · 15/01/2016 23:55

Thanks. Will also check Lowfield too.

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PseudoBadger · 16/01/2016 00:21

Please don't forget that Rob really has no idea what he is dealing with in terms of Helen. Her past, her EDs. I doubt he has meant to push her to an ED relapse.

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SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 16/01/2016 00:28

Charlie said he loved Adam. Adam sayed he loved him and he didn't want him to go but he was a coward and it had to be the way it was. C went to go. Then they went back to snogging.

I hope they both leave. Together. And Ian stays. Helen swoops in to commiserate and they find mutual support.

More likely Ian goes. Adam stats but he and Helen no longer talk.

Rob called kirsty a 'bitch' really very aggressively. Helen stuck up a bit but Rob suggested she should avoid Kirsty.

Gruach · 16/01/2016 00:39

Adam can't leave! Not when he's just about to become King of all he surveys.

Poor Kirsty. Doubt she'll be able to dodge some menacing communication from Rob in the next few days. Or she'll find complaints made against her at work.

AdrianlovesPandora · 16/01/2016 01:53

Why did Ian refuse to go to the party in the first place ? It does not make sense after he decided to go through with the wedding you would think he would be keeping a close eye on Adam ?

JapanNextYear · 16/01/2016 02:38

Adam and Charlie, I can't see how that can end well.

R4 · 16/01/2016 06:26

Why did Ian refuse to go to the party in the first place?

I don't know if it was an excuse or a reason, but Ian said he was on rota to work that evening. According to Rob' poison they have an 'open marriage' so it's not just Charlie but every other gay in the village too - Ian can't take time off from work to watch Adam all the time.

Dumdedumdedum · 16/01/2016 06:45

I think Ian had ummed and aahed about going to the party and may have cried off at the last minute, off-mike, having told Adam he would try and change the rota so he could go. Didn't we hear Ian musing about Charlie to himself after Adam had told him about the party?

AdrianlovesPandora · 16/01/2016 07:25

Yes R4 I know what Ian said but that was clearly a made up reason as he was making an excuse to not go to the party what I'm wondering is if you was in that situation why wouldn't you Go ! having discovered what went on and then still marrying Adam anyway. The open marriage thing was an untruth told by Rob to stir the shit I don't think that's the reason. I wonder if yes could he have been lurking ? Perhaps a plan to see if Adam would remain faithful after marriage ???

BYOSnowman · 16/01/2016 07:48

I thought Ian was adamant he wouldn't go

If you think the whole village knows your husband is having an affair with someone - would you turn up at that persons leaving do and Risk people expecting you to say nice things about him and/or be sniggering behind your back?

Gruach · 16/01/2016 08:02

Good point BYOS - I'd forgotten that Ian is still living under that misapprehension.

When he said that Adam would have to go on his own I had the impression that Ian knew Adam was scared of going alone and was adamant, in his own mind, that he wasn't prepared to be the sort of spouse who was the keeper of the other's conscience.

But yes, imagining the whole village is laughing at you must have dampened his enthusiasm somewhat.

GruntledOne · 16/01/2016 08:13

Please don't forget that Rob really has no idea what he is dealing with in terms of Helen. Her past, her EDs. I doubt he has meant to push her to an ED relapse.

He knows all about the eating disorder - Helen's told him. I remember her discussing it with the midwife in his presence. It does puzzle me that he would want to push her into it whilst pregnant, but there is literature out there that says a pregnant woman has to be seriously starving before it affects her child.

BertrandRussell · 16/01/2016 08:19

"Please don't forget that Rob really has no idea what he is dealing with in terms of Helen. Her past, her EDs. I doubt he has meant to push her to an ED relapse."

Yes he does. Helen told him. Pat told him. And it was brought up at her midwife's appointment.

Scarydinosaurs · 16/01/2016 08:47

As Pp have said- Rob knows.

He will also know the impact of restricting whilst pregnant will be anaemia, mental problems and exacerbating the chance of developing post natal depression.

MeolsCop · 16/01/2016 08:55

Was just coming on to echo the above. Also, the awful night of the rape/assault/whatever gruesome thing he did to H, didn't she (very unwisely) bare her soul to him and talk about everything bad in her life thus far - including Greg, the ED, all her many insecurities etc, etc? And how wonderful it now was to have Rob making her life complete (errrrrmmm....). He went on to assault her. And essentially she'd just handed him a useful checklist of the very things he's now torturing her with.

MeolsCop · 16/01/2016 08:58

It may not have been the actual night of the Horrible Event - I'm a bit hazy now - but it was certainly around that time. She was asking for reassurance that he'd always love her and never let her down, given her past. So.......that went well Hmm

Imbroglio · 16/01/2016 09:06

I'm not sure Rob has quite grasped how serious Helen's ED is, or he would be going batshit over her starving Master Knob.

BertrandRussell · 16/01/2016 09:15

But he is doing stuff guranteed to push her over int an ED. Guaranteed. It must be deliberate.

enochroot · 16/01/2016 09:15

Those children born to starving mothers in Holland after the War ended have been found to be affected by the mothers' malnourishment. They've been studied for health problems for decades and are prone to cardio- vascular problems among other things. Even their children have been affected in the next generation.

OK, Helen is taking in some food of much better quality than that and the nutrients must be reaching the baby but there must be some effect surely, if not on the baby then on her own health. Rob must know this.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 16/01/2016 09:21

What was the horrible thing rob did to Helen? I'm assuming he raped her but how did it come about? Sorry for being gruesome

BYOSnowman · 16/01/2016 09:22

I hope they don't have a late miscarriage sl - I don't think I could listen to that when it would effectively be his father who killed him. Is it likely lack of food could kill the baby or is it Helens body that takes the effect? How many weeks is she? Isn't she due her 20 week scan?

On the plus side, the ambridge health fairy will ensure any health effects mother and baby feel from her starvation are only short term and they will never be mentioned once rob has been disposed of.

Imbroglio · 16/01/2016 09:24

He gave her a 'special night in' which ended with the rape, then gaslighted her to make out she was tipsy and got carried away.