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Sorry but I couldn't resist an opportunity for puns galore

Hah! From Lowfield, 27th August:

Adam and Brian discuss Justin Elliot's contract for next year. More to the point, will there be one? Jenny opens the post as they talk, only to find a letter from John Tregorran's executors. In addition, there is a sealed letter from John to Jennifer herself. Fancy that, after all those years.

Jenny reads through John's letter with Brian, in which he talks of Carol keeping secrets and the games she plays. He was often left wondering what she might do next! Brian wonders if they were the wild thoughts of a man on serious medication. Jenny discovers that he has left her some of his book collection... and £50,000. Heavens.

Ah but it was 'solved' after all that Agatha Christie nonsense. Case closed. Move along, nothing to see here.

Good sleuthing though, Bore.

It has not been resolved to my satisfaction though, R4

Agree bore.

Thank god none of these sw work on Midsomer murders

If they had indeed made the move to Hexham, would they even be there yet? I.e. sale through farm sold, everything moved? I know R thinks the uncertainty hastened HPs demise but chances are they'd have been moving after she pegged it anyway, no?

Thanks Lynda , yes you did read my post correctly.

If they had indeed made the move to Hexham, would they even be there yet?

You may have a very good point there, considering the incredible fuss and pother they made over moving a single writing desk!

This is still such an awkward SL.

It was never about the characters - "they" have acknowledged it was just an enormous game to "fool" the listeners. But the events portrayed would inevitably (in RL) have had a huge effect on the people concerned. Just imagine being Heather from the start of this year. And in the end being compelled to sell up and leave your home. Of course it would cause intolerable stress - which they're now having to deal with in the story. But none of it rings true - Ruth's protestations just make an embarrasing clanking sound. I almost wish that SOC /David could make an announcement at the beginning of tonights's broadcast:

Look, sorry, we thought it would be great to make you all think the Brookfield Archers were moving, and then to have them stay; but we admit the story hasn't worked. So we're going to draw a line under it. Skip the recriminations and tension. When you listen tonight Jill will be back where she belongs, Heather will have been buried and Ruth and David will be living in harmony. It's finished. Sorry.

(Still feeling a pain in my heart for a house I left nearly twenty years ago ...)

Ah but we're talking about the SL aren't we Gruach? That's what the producers want of course.

And TBH I reckon it's all quite likely to happen in RL; old people change their minds (dm forgets what she said 2 mins ago on the phone ), people pull out of moving. Etc etc.

So now knobshit is riding round the village like the hunt master In France it's against the law to "talk down" to people , meaning to not talk to people on the ground, from a horse.

I liked the archers because it was character driven. Soc can only do plot driven sl. There are some good sw who know the characters so that has saved it a bit but some of it is just drivel.

I agree about jenny, carol and John. One moment mercy killing is murder, the next, it's fine because Carol has admitted to, um, murder.

So, I think what it was really all about was jenny feeling her position as Queen Bee of a certain social milieu was being threatened by Carol. She felt Carol was going to usurp her in some ways just by being there and, felt threatened by Carol's knowledge of whatever happened between Jenny and John, long ago. That she might make it known, threatening Jenny's 'saintly wife' image and that Jenny wasn't sure how Carol felt about her as a consequence, perhaps resentful. Carol was too independent to be assimilated and controlled that way, so jenny sought to keep her a little outside nice society through rumour and exclusion.

What made all the difference was Carol taking Jenny into her confidence and saying 'look I know you think and having been saying this about me, that does bother me, so I'd like to set you straight'. Ergo, Carol showed that she minded about Jenny's opinion of her and, that she had nothing on Jenny that she was holding in reserve to smear her back with. Essentially Carol capitulated to jenny as queen bee, rolled over and let jenny rub her tummy. Social order is restored.

Soc can only do plot driven sl.

You wouldn't mind quite so much if he actually saw the plots through to their conclusion but the number of started-but-abandoned is getting ridiculous.

True r4. He goes for short term hits and thinks we will all forget!

Remember the hoo har over Roy and Liz and Fred going off the rails - sl just dried up and died overnight.

lottie Can I call you The Ambridge Whisperer?

Masterly analysis.

I now expect to see them shopping for ball gowns together and patronising the poor with alms, or summat.

Knob's going to take Horrid Henry a-hunting and smear him with animal blood isn't he?

PolPat will go batshit and Hellin will be conflicted.

Yes well analysed Lottie Are a psychotherapist or summat? Now give us your take on the Hellrob situation please

Lottie - I wish soc had put as much thought into the sl as you have!

I bet if he read this thread he would've taking notes pretty furiously!

Sadly, everything I know about HelRob is available here on the relationship board.

I suppose I think her transformation and awakening has happened a bit fast. The rest is about plot. How long until he's found out, one way and another. How far is he able to go without challenge - or goes very quickly when he starts to feel cornered and seeks to re-establish control. I am finding it very chilling listening.

Bore They don't do the 'blooding' any more because it's drag hunting now innit? But Hell is very conflicted about hunting anyway isn't she? Could be a real make or break when including Henry.

Lottie A while ago we discussed the fact that Hell is soo anxious for a 'proper relationship' that she has settled for someone less than desirable. Would you agree?

My worry is that rob is just a cardboard cut out of a baddie

Would be better if there were genuine flashes of 'good guy'

Often a dv victim doesn't speak up because they think everyone thinks he's a good guy and can point to good stuff they have done. Rob is just getting more and more vile and will be drummed out the village by a mob soon!

Ah, blows my theory out of the water then ppeat But yes, hunting could still prove contentious

BYOS the thing is no one discusses Knob's vileness, do they? Not yet, anyway. Surely it's only a matter of time though?

(and Fallon and Kirsty will be the catalysts)

But that's what makes it even more annoying! People seem to think he's this great guy based on nothing and then the large proportion of people who hear him being vile either keep it to themselves (as if - why couldn't we hear Adam bitching to Ianwho we know hates rob) or don't seem to have noticed (eg tony at the cricket, pat when rob 'defended' the shop).

The Grundys were NOT pleased to see him, though BYOS