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Moving to Liverpool, commuting to London - is it mad?

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YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 13:04

We are living in London and renting - while we have a good LL who charges a decent rent, the news and the fact that estate agents are charging significantly more for flats in the same building is adding to the massive anxiety I get for six months a year about whether we will be made homeless. We have some family and health things going on at the moment which is further underlining how difficult it is to not be able to properly plan more than a year in advance as you don't know whether you'll have to move, or how difficult it is when you live five hours by train or a nightbus away from somewhere you now have to visit more often.

We can't afford to buy in London, unless it was shared ownership, which I'm not entirely sure is a good option. I don't care about the property ladder or building up equity, I just want to put down some money for a place that will be ours and not have to move again unless we really want to. We don't have or will have kids, we both have jobs which would allow us to move out of the city as long as we can attend our London offices in person once a week or fortnight - colleagues of mine are currently doing this and I've been asking how they've been finding it. And I've lived in London long enough that I would be more than happy getting to know a new city, especially if I feel I'm able to relax a little more on a day to day basis. We want to make a home there rather than the temporary feeling of renting which makes you feel like you can't really get yourself involved in the community and get to know it, even if part of me worries that we're just moving London's unaffordability problem to a different community?

DH is quite keen that any move would be to another city - neither of us drive, I want to live somewhere which has its own thing rather than being a dormitory community of London (plus buying/renting in the traditional commuter belt is not much cheaper, especially when factoring in train costs) both of us want the potential to change jobs rather than keep our current ones if we decide to do so which makes Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds/Sheffield seem like good places to start. I lived in Manchester for a while, but Liverpool looks like a good option - family were from there so I feel a bit of an affinity, it's cheaper to live there, it has a good feeling about it that makes me feel it could be a good place to settle. DH is happy with a similar size flat as the one we rent just now, I would be too, but the leasehold thing makes me wonder if it would effectivley feel like renting with the extra restrictions and potential hikes in cost. I don't have a problem with somewhere needing redecorating or having to plan to replace the kitchen over the next few years etc. but we don't have the skills to do anything major, we'd have to pay other people to do it for us.

I don't even know where to start looking other than 'where's near the station' or which areas are realistically an option to get to the train first thing. I think £100k would be a good realistic starting budget to look at in terms of a mortgage that's realistic for us to get and pay off quickly (we are 41 and 45) whilst also leaving us space to pay for other costs and room to weather any rate hikes and still live our lives, but it's hard to say until we start properly planning. There are lots of houses by Anfield that are well within that but I keep seeing people say it's a dodgy area - I never know what that means given that what people consider 'dodgy areas' near us in SE London are a) ones we're probably priced out of b) seem absolutely fine to me c) often seems code for 'working class' or 'too many chicken shops' - it's more that my experiences of Victorian terraces is that they're generally massively damp that puts me off!

This is a long-term thing to think about whilst we keep adding to our deposit funds, making ourselves look like good people for the bank to lend a load of money to, and dealing with other stuff, but any advice? Thanks and sorry for rambling, I'm just overthinking as usual :)

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averythinline · 26/07/2023 15:59

if you have a deposit of 50k and both work what have you actually been offered as a mortgage?
yes i would also be Conservative with the col as it is but equally dont restrict yourself unnecessarily..
love Liverpool but train service is not greatest...
i would look leeds/Sheffield? both great music cities and better train services ....into kings x

Chickenpie35 · 26/07/2023 16:00

I'd encourage anyone to live in Liverpool.

Try sefton, part of the liverpool city region has liverpool postcode. Particularly L20 L21 L22 L23 (L22/23 mostly for the beach) Have a look at Anthony gormleys another place. Crosby marina, burbo Bank.

Have friends who both work for big banks work fron home in L23 and travel to London once a week not the same but one in L21 that commutes to Leeds. So easy to commute, so much going on here, beach, cheap(ish) rent. The bars & restaurants around L22 & L23 are gorgeous.

thelinkisdead · 26/07/2023 16:01

You want south Liverpool for its railway links. If you’re not near a train station with London links then south is better in terms of getting into the city centre to Lime St Station. The route into the centre from the south is much quicker than from the north.

Calderstones is beautiful but very expensive. I’m mainly talking half a mil plus in terms of houses - not sure about rent but it won’t be cheap;

Mossley Hill is the same - but also not particularly vibrant as it’s mostly affluent retired people. We’ve just moved from there as there was nothing to do, although its green space is fabulous and it’s great for young families.

Aigburth is lovely - pricey but slightly cheaper than above; Allerton is the same (depending on where you are as it crosses boundaries with Calderstones).

Childwall is my favourite: great transport links, vibrant and leafy.

Wavertree is next to Childwall so all the benefits but with lower house prices. Garston is similar in that it’s next to Allerton/Mossley Hill but cheaper.

West Derby is nice but really boring. I grew up there. The transport links are dire, you’re surrounded by ASBO zones (and the boundary moved not long ago so parts which are called West Derby also cross with Croxteth and Cantril Farm - notoriously deprived areas).

Stay away from north Liverpool in general really I’d say as it’s either rough, a concrete jungle or there’s nothing to do. Unfortunately your nice parts of South Liverpool above are very pricey. Unfortunately Liverpool is a very split city and the cheaper areas don’t really benefit from transport links or much in the way of leisure activities.

User3743lll · 26/07/2023 16:02

I live in Liverpool and my husband commutes to London weekly (but he stays there most of the week, doesn't do the return trip in one day) and it only takes 2.5 on the train. You would have to factor in the travel costs too, if your work won't pay for your travel? Bare in mind the fast train can make you a little travel sick.

But I think your idea is a good one. My advice would be to try and find somewhere close to Sefton Park or Lark Lane. There are a lot of free events in Sefton Park like Africa Oyé and the area is very multicultural like you will be accustomed to in London. I wouldn't rule out period houses for damp, I've lived a long time in two Victorian terraced with no damp issues and they have much more potential for improving/renovating. If you are set on a flat, make sure the other flats aren't for students or the neighbouring flats aren't student accomodation.

Mushroo · 26/07/2023 16:05

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 15:02

My colleague says that it's £60 when booked in advance to come in on a Friday, so yes, a big expense over the month, but our rent is likely to go up 20 - 40% for the flat we have in London which would be much higher.

Be careful - Fridays are cheap because the whole day is off peak. If you have to go in any other day it’s £200 even with a railcard.

Zuma76 · 26/07/2023 16:08

I’d look at Lancaster, Sheffield, Bradford, Halifax. Or go east, Norwich etc. I don’t think you will find any other city small in comparison with London. Most people in London do not travel extensively across the city. Also it will take you as long to get from Liverpool to Manchester or Leeds as it could do to cross London. For all those suggesting renting first have maybe not heard that the rental market in northern cities is horrific at the moment.

crossedwood · 26/07/2023 16:15

I've just moved from Waterloo to Wirral to move in with my Partner but I loved living in Waterloo

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 16:24

Mushroo · 26/07/2023 16:05

Be careful - Fridays are cheap because the whole day is off peak. If you have to go in any other day it’s £200 even with a railcard.

Yes, but as I said, I could fix my weekly day to the Friday as many people do. There will be odd times when I would need to come in other days but it would work.

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Mushroo · 26/07/2023 16:33

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 16:24

Yes, but as I said, I could fix my weekly day to the Friday as many people do. There will be odd times when I would need to come in other days but it would work.

It’s risky though - Avanti could easily pull the plug on off peak Fridays!

blahblahblah1654 · 26/07/2023 16:39

Angliski · 26/07/2023 15:05

Sefton park and toxteth are lovely and affordable. I think it’s totally doable- but tickets in advance and also if you miss peak and work 10-6 instead . Good luck x

Unless it's changed in recent years, I wouldn't call Toxteth lovely.

AlligatorPsychopath · 26/07/2023 16:42

The pendulum is moving fairly strongly back towards more time in the office, would be my warning to you. It's very likely that most office/corporate jobs will move back towards requiring 2-3 days a week in the office. So make any decisions with that possibility in mind.

DisappointingAvocado · 26/07/2023 16:44

Have you considered / visited Coventry? I grew up there and every time I visit I feel it's got nicer and has plenty going for it, but still relatively cheap. You could get a 2 bed flat in a nice central area for 130-150k. 1 hour by train to Euston. Plenty going on in its own right and 20 mins by train to Birmingham for bigger gigs. Earlsdon and Cheylesmore are nice areas and close to the station for commuting. Great rail transport links to pretty much anywhere as it's right in the middle! Most people do drive but it's not necessary and the local bus service is decent enough.

Lwrenagain · 26/07/2023 16:52

@blahblahblah1654 I was mildly stolen in Toxteth once, I was helping a pal move and he left me in the back of the van but the keys still in ignition whilst he just popped into his house, two lads jumped in and started driving. Luckily nothing sinister happened, but yeah, I've not been since 😁

ElizaMulvil · 26/07/2023 16:57

Try Sheffield. You can certainly get a 2 bed flat walking distance from the station for £100k ish eg City Centre, off West Street or Norfolk Park etc.

Lots of great pubs, clubs, cafes etc. Don Valley Stadium, Leadmill, Crucible and wonderful countryside minutes away. Friendly people. 2 Universities. Lots going on. Tramlines Festival just finished! £120 for weekend!

It's 2 hours to St Pancras Int. I do it most weeks and it's fine. Cost £100 or so return maybe if you'll be going at commuter times.( I pay much less ie £13.70 single advance booking but travel late morning/ lunch time and return 7.30-8.30pm.) If you can negotiate times with your company it might be quite good?

CaramelisedLeeks · 26/07/2023 17:00

I would suggest looking at L8 as it is definitely on the up and you can get much cheaper properties than L17.
Somewhere like this: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136662773#/?channel=RES_BUY
Would mean you have parks on your doorstep (Granby Market and great community etc) and you could actually walk to Lime St in under 30mins (plus there are loads of buses). There is a lovely documentary called Almost Liverpool 8 which will give you a good feel for the area.

Check out this 2 bedroom apartment for sale on Rightmove

2 bedroom apartment for sale in Croxteth Road, Liverpool, L8 for £160,000. Marketed by Jones and Chapman, Allerton

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136662773#/?channel=RES_BUY

blahblahblah1654 · 26/07/2023 17:03

Lwrenagain · 26/07/2023 16:52

@blahblahblah1654 I was mildly stolen in Toxteth once, I was helping a pal move and he left me in the back of the van but the keys still in ignition whilst he just popped into his house, two lads jumped in and started driving. Luckily nothing sinister happened, but yeah, I've not been since 😁

Oh my god mildly stolen sounds scary! Glad you were ok

crimsonlake · 26/07/2023 17:04

I'm in Liverpool and considering you do not drive I think to make your journey easier you would have to be based walking distance to a local station so you could catch a train in to Lime Street for your commute to London.
Look at Garston, as from South Parkway the trains are regular in to Lime Street and take about 10 mins.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 17:05

ElizaMulvil · 26/07/2023 16:57

Try Sheffield. You can certainly get a 2 bed flat walking distance from the station for £100k ish eg City Centre, off West Street or Norfolk Park etc.

Lots of great pubs, clubs, cafes etc. Don Valley Stadium, Leadmill, Crucible and wonderful countryside minutes away. Friendly people. 2 Universities. Lots going on. Tramlines Festival just finished! £120 for weekend!

It's 2 hours to St Pancras Int. I do it most weeks and it's fine. Cost £100 or so return maybe if you'll be going at commuter times.( I pay much less ie £13.70 single advance booking but travel late morning/ lunch time and return 7.30-8.30pm.) If you can negotiate times with your company it might be quite good?

It is funnily enough on the list - we had the option of renting a friend's place whilst they worked abroad but that's now not going to happen for a year or so. People seem to return there a lot.

I can start work from 10am which gives me a bit of leeway for coming in, but I would have to be present (at home or physically in the office) for then, so there's some flexibility there but not a huge amount.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 26/07/2023 17:09

Soozikinzii · 26/07/2023 14:39

I know someone in my area, which is between Wigan and Bolton (yes, there is such a place !) who works in London . They go up for 2 days with one overnight stay and WFH another 2 days . The rain from Wigan to London is only 2 hours . So it definitely doable! Our area has good schools etc.

The OP wants a city. Wigan is not a city. Moving from London to Wigan would be one hell of a culture shock in many ways. And that's without the abysmal train service. (I'm originally from central Lancashire but live in London and my family are all still in Lancs - I ended up buying a car to visit as the trains were so unreliable and so utterly useless).

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 17:09

Honestly, the more I think about it the more I feel like we're trapped - can't afford to buy here, can't afford to move to a cheaper place here because the rents are spiralling everywhere, can't negotiate any upcoming rent rises because our LL could just simply ask us to leave and charge what they like because of the rental market....and moving out isn't a perfect solution either! But it might be something.

Moving back in with our parents isn't really an option when we're in our forties and neither is giving up things like food and electricity, so we need to come up with some solution to things.

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gingerguineapig · 26/07/2023 17:13

Have you thought about Cardiff? I don't know how affordable the nicer bits are, but it's fairly quick to London and is a great city. GWR is quite expensive though :(

My cousins lived in Crosby and Waterloo, one is now in Southport and the other in the south of England.

HundredMilesAnHour · 26/07/2023 17:13

I think you should seriously reconsider shared ownership in London. That would give you the security you're looking for.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 17:18

I know someone who's doing this at the moment so taking an interest, but the potential pitfalls seem so great - also, if the full price (not just the portion of it on which you are taking out a mortgage) is higher than £450k - which many of them are in our area despite them being in zone 4/5 of a cheaper part of the city - then you cannot use your Lifetime ISA bonus to cover any of the deposit.

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ymemanresu · 26/07/2023 17:21

I'd suggest Birmingham too and can advise on areas.

lilluce95 · 26/07/2023 17:28

I live in Peterborough and commute to London once a week for work - on the fast train you can get there in 45 minutes (just over an hour on the cheaper trains) so the commute is really good. House prices are also fairly cheap around here.

Are you in the media industry by any chance? As the company I work for is a big media company in Peterborough ☺️