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Moving to Liverpool, commuting to London - is it mad?

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YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 13:04

We are living in London and renting - while we have a good LL who charges a decent rent, the news and the fact that estate agents are charging significantly more for flats in the same building is adding to the massive anxiety I get for six months a year about whether we will be made homeless. We have some family and health things going on at the moment which is further underlining how difficult it is to not be able to properly plan more than a year in advance as you don't know whether you'll have to move, or how difficult it is when you live five hours by train or a nightbus away from somewhere you now have to visit more often.

We can't afford to buy in London, unless it was shared ownership, which I'm not entirely sure is a good option. I don't care about the property ladder or building up equity, I just want to put down some money for a place that will be ours and not have to move again unless we really want to. We don't have or will have kids, we both have jobs which would allow us to move out of the city as long as we can attend our London offices in person once a week or fortnight - colleagues of mine are currently doing this and I've been asking how they've been finding it. And I've lived in London long enough that I would be more than happy getting to know a new city, especially if I feel I'm able to relax a little more on a day to day basis. We want to make a home there rather than the temporary feeling of renting which makes you feel like you can't really get yourself involved in the community and get to know it, even if part of me worries that we're just moving London's unaffordability problem to a different community?

DH is quite keen that any move would be to another city - neither of us drive, I want to live somewhere which has its own thing rather than being a dormitory community of London (plus buying/renting in the traditional commuter belt is not much cheaper, especially when factoring in train costs) both of us want the potential to change jobs rather than keep our current ones if we decide to do so which makes Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds/Sheffield seem like good places to start. I lived in Manchester for a while, but Liverpool looks like a good option - family were from there so I feel a bit of an affinity, it's cheaper to live there, it has a good feeling about it that makes me feel it could be a good place to settle. DH is happy with a similar size flat as the one we rent just now, I would be too, but the leasehold thing makes me wonder if it would effectivley feel like renting with the extra restrictions and potential hikes in cost. I don't have a problem with somewhere needing redecorating or having to plan to replace the kitchen over the next few years etc. but we don't have the skills to do anything major, we'd have to pay other people to do it for us.

I don't even know where to start looking other than 'where's near the station' or which areas are realistically an option to get to the train first thing. I think £100k would be a good realistic starting budget to look at in terms of a mortgage that's realistic for us to get and pay off quickly (we are 41 and 45) whilst also leaving us space to pay for other costs and room to weather any rate hikes and still live our lives, but it's hard to say until we start properly planning. There are lots of houses by Anfield that are well within that but I keep seeing people say it's a dodgy area - I never know what that means given that what people consider 'dodgy areas' near us in SE London are a) ones we're probably priced out of b) seem absolutely fine to me c) often seems code for 'working class' or 'too many chicken shops' - it's more that my experiences of Victorian terraces is that they're generally massively damp that puts me off!

This is a long-term thing to think about whilst we keep adding to our deposit funds, making ourselves look like good people for the bank to lend a load of money to, and dealing with other stuff, but any advice? Thanks and sorry for rambling, I'm just overthinking as usual :)

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traytablestowed · 26/07/2023 14:57

I'd recommend Waterloo in north Liverpool - very much up and coming, more expensive than anfield and bootle but you can still get a good deal there and it's got a nice vibe, lots of local independent shops, bars etc. Good transport links to town (train in is about 15 mins).
Just be aware that trains to London from Liverpool cost the earth, so factor this into your budgeting.

PuddlesPityParty · 26/07/2023 14:57

With Manchester there’s metrolinks all across GM would it not be worth living close to one of them? The busses are all changing too to the bee network (?)

Hbh17 · 26/07/2023 15:00

Liverpool is great. Definitely not Bootle, but Crosby and Waterloo are fine.
But you will be at the mercy of Avanti North West trains - one of the worst services in the country. Even when on time, it's 2 hours 15 minutes from Lime St to Euston, plus the travelling time at either end. Minimum spend of £80 return, travelling in the middle of the day and booking 12 weeks in advance. You would be looking at £300 or £400 return for peak time travel and/or booking at short notice.
And that's without considering rail strikes and overtime bans - no sign of them stopping any time soon.
By all means move up to Liverpool, but I'd be looking for new jobs in the North West!

OhComeOnFFS · 26/07/2023 15:02

You can get a house like this in New Brighton - it's a great area and nothing like some of the brutal Liverpool suburbs. It's a 25 minute train ride to Liverpool.

I'm just not sure about commuting - it's tiring going to London for the day but doable - I wouldn't want to do it more than once a week, though.

OhComeOnFFS · 26/07/2023 15:02

Sorry, here's the house!

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 15:02

My colleague says that it's £60 when booked in advance to come in on a Friday, so yes, a big expense over the month, but our rent is likely to go up 20 - 40% for the flat we have in London which would be much higher.

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LlynTegid · 26/07/2023 15:02

Are you sure once a fortnight in person won't become once a week, or something else? Do you have anyone who could put you up overnight or are prepared for one night a week in a hotel or other accommodation in London?

Employers have changed their minds about wfh a lot recently, we can all speculate on why but it happens.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 15:03

Sorry, £60 on a Friday as it's classed as off-peak, and I'd be coming in on a fixed day of the week rather than ad-hoc.

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Lwrenagain · 26/07/2023 15:04

As someone from bootle, nah.

Toddlerteaplease · 26/07/2023 15:04

My friend lives in South Liverpool and goes to London often. He gets the metro 1 stop to South parkway and then the train to London from there.

Angliski · 26/07/2023 15:05

Sefton park and toxteth are lovely and affordable. I think it’s totally doable- but tickets in advance and also if you miss peak and work 10-6 instead . Good luck x

Hbh17 · 26/07/2023 15:06

Kleptronic · 26/07/2023 14:50

There are some nice areas round Halewood/Calderstones/Garston in Liverpool which would be handy for Liverpool South Parkway, the London train stops there.

You'll come up against affordability in the truly nice areas like Woolton/Allerton/West Derby. Wavertree is up and coming so maybe look there.

Waterloo is affordable, by the beach and there's a thriving village/restaurant/cinema/bars/bistros/djs/comedy etc. scene. There's a community pub and comedy club in Bootle, they put live music/comedy on. You can get the train through to South Parkway too, saves you walking across town from Central to Lime Street.

Avanti trains from Euston do NOT stop at Liverpool South Parkway.... it's very annoying!

Amonthinthecountry · 26/07/2023 15:07

This is a bit of a tangent but you could get a narrowboat for a year or two and try out some different locations. You’d also save a some extra money for your deposit as it’s a pretty cheap way to live 😀

IWasFunBeforeMum · 26/07/2023 15:08

Ohyoudodoyou · 26/07/2023 14:41

Stick to your guns, look at flats around the waterfront in Liverpool, south ferry quay area.I have friends there, perfect for all the cafes bars and restaurants, handy for gp/Pharmacies/hospitals also green spaces such as Sefton park and not too far from stations. It's quiet there away from the crowds but obviously still a city with city pros and cons. Go visit, there's a lovely yacht club there I was taken to for lunch.

With a 100k budget? Sefton Park really?

bge · 26/07/2023 15:10

I would go down to Portsmouth instead. Trains are very good even now and only 90 mins to London. And you could afford a flat. Decent music and food. You could get a beach hut

Ohyoudodoyou · 26/07/2023 15:14

@iwasfunberoremum - I said south ferry quay, not Sefton park. 1 bed flats around the waterfront can be bought for £100k

BarbaraofSeville · 26/07/2023 15:15

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 15:03

Sorry, £60 on a Friday as it's classed as off-peak, and I'd be coming in on a fixed day of the week rather than ad-hoc.

That's the key thing to nail down if you move away and plan to go by train.

You don't want to have spent hundreds of pounds on advance train tickets only for your employer to start saying - I want you to come in on Wednesday instead of Friday next week.....

NewNovember · 26/07/2023 15:16

If you move to Liverpool move to the South of the City not the North. Garston is reasonable priced and has a train station with direct trains to London.

Grimbelina · 26/07/2023 15:17

I would think very carefully about what would happen if either of you lost or needed to change jobs, your present jobs require you in the office more. You really need to move somewhere where you could get another job or you could be trapped - this has happened to more than a few people after they moved out to WFH a long way from London. I would second renting for a some time first too.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/07/2023 15:23

Oh no, the fixed office days is very well established and there are enough people commuting in once weekly that the powers that be couldn't just change the policy to be effective immediately. I wouldn't be thinking about it otherwise.

With losing or needing to change jobs - this is why we're looking at cities where not only do our industries have a presence but there are likely to be other options. If we moved to, say, Grantham, we'd be very limited.

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Redwinestillfine · 26/07/2023 15:34

Look in Aigburth. Much nicer than Anfield and you can drive or bus to South Parkway station which is the second stop on the London Liverpool train and will be cheaper in terms of fares.

KievLoverTwo · 26/07/2023 15:41

Having read all these replies, I really think you ought to look at renting in an area you want to settle in before buying.

Wait until the end of August or later to look at rentals. At the moment, most rents are bumped up by 20% to try to get a summer premium.

(I am seeing dozens a week in my inbox that have since been reduced by 20% because nobody's prepared to pay the increased cost, but we've still got more than a month of school holidays to go)

in NW/Yorkshire

I lived in Grantham for three months. I've never been so depressed in my life.

Peony654 · 26/07/2023 15:45

If it's only once a week or once a fortnight for both of you I'd consider it. But you need to do the maths on the cost of the train tickets. And definitely rent for a while so you can get to know areas.

FilthyRich · 26/07/2023 15:45

Have you considered Stoke-on-Trent or Derby?