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Where in London will be gentrified next?

336 replies

Willow1086 · 28/04/2021 16:11

Where in London do you think will be gentrified next?

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Katjolo · 29/04/2021 22:40

@TheYearOfSmallThings

In my opinion if Peckham can gentrify, then there is literally hope for any area.

Grin come on Harlow, you can do it!

Grin bit too far out! Not impossible though Blush
ArcheryAnnie · 30/04/2021 00:26

@Eyevorbig0ne

Brixton
I moved out of Brixton about 25 years ago as we couldn't afford it anymore - the rented house I was living in was sold out from under us. It was getting so gentrified then. If you live in Brixton now, you are either very rich, or you managed to get an assured tenancy there decades ago.
cosmi · 30/04/2021 07:58

I agree with the poster that said WFH will impact the speed of regeneration in London.

However, I do think that as people travel less to the centre and enjoy their local facilities more, we will see a different type of gentrification as people spend and do more in their immediate local area.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 30/04/2021 08:37

Re Peckham, an older woman I know, told me that her mother had urged her to buy a house in Peckham when you could buy one of the old Georgian/Queen Anne terraces for - wait for it - £1k.

She didn’t want the hassle at the time, but did buy a year later, during which time prices had already doubled.
I dare say this was in the late 1960s.

The house was presumably in a very antiquated state then - it’s now lovely and she still lives in it.

doomonic · 30/04/2021 08:54

However, I do think that as people travel less to the centre and enjoy their local facilities more, we will see a different type of gentrification as people spend and do more in their immediate local area.

Yes I agree with that, some of those commuter areas will probably change quite a bit.

doomonic · 30/04/2021 08:57

Also worth remembering when my parents bought in London in the 80s it wasn't particularly desirable. The outer zones & home counties were less deprived etc. It could just be a natural cycle, hence why so many are capitalising whilst their money can stretch & are leaving.
If DH & I weren't Londoners we move out in a shot to get more space & better air as we don't need to commute much.

Diamondnights · 02/05/2021 15:59

I remember when Clapham was considered edgy...🤣

toffeebutterpopcorn · 02/05/2021 16:02

Then it became Cla-rm...

littlejalapeno · 02/05/2021 16:14

Ilford, but the valentines park/Gants Hill side- there a Mercato metropolitano opening there this summer and on the cross rail

Zwills · 02/05/2021 16:35

I'd say Harlesden area. There'a a whole development of new apartments built between Craven park and Harlesden station. Just checked the price for a 1 bed and found one for just under 500k Shock. Stonebridge which is right next to it has already changed a lot since the 90s. The regeneration of Old Oak Common will bring more homes to the area. Quiet a few of the 'Queens Park' mums have moved to Harlesden/Roundwood Park sides too.

pinksnowball · 02/05/2021 18:03

I honestly don't believe Ilford will ever gentrify.

Some areas just seem completely resistant. Stratford (and surrounding areas) has everything going for it and yet it's never managed to gentrify.

MrsGRamsay · 02/05/2021 18:51

God no, Harlesden will never gentrify - despite good transport links. It’s got even more crap since I lived there in mid 80’s! Yes, there’s a couple of ‘shabby chic’ cafes - one right next to the queue for a food bank.

I liked my time there; still had a high street and once you were recognised as a face / local had no issues.

Still have friends from there - although 90# moved out because of work, marriage etc but all still have connections.

Londonmummy66 · 02/05/2021 19:05

Vauxhall, Stockwell and Camberwell.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 02/05/2021 19:08

I got into a terribly fight with a bus driver in Harlesden. I was learning to drive and wasn’t going fast enough for his liking (he was driving like a really driver) so he jumped out at the lights and stood in front of the car yelling at me (hands on bonnet - full Neanderthal).

I yelled back that I was a learner and he had learned at one stage but he was still being a nasty, bullying aggressive man. In the end I yelled ‘piss off or I’ll run you over’. That got him moving (a benefit of being a foul-mouthed Glaswegian).

My instructor valiantly slouched down in his seat and pretended to be invisible.

earsup · 02/05/2021 19:22

@MoChridhe

White Chapel, Bethnal Green, Bow, mile end
already been done years ago..1m houses plus and all the usual cafes and vegan shops etc.
earsup · 02/05/2021 19:28

@Empressofthemundane

Manor Park / Forest Gate in the East.

Wembley in the North

forest gate already there....pricey parts and the cafes etc have sprung up....manor park ... not sure about that...same with ilford....
YippieKayakOtherBuckets · 02/05/2021 19:38

@Londonmummy66

Vauxhall, Stockwell and Camberwell.
Ha, the same Camberwell which housed the prime minister and his fiancée before they moved into no 10? Long gone, I’m afraid. Its fate was sealed when Denmark Hill got the orange line but it was already well on its way. It’s a good example of the cheek-by-jowl gentrification described upthread, however: fancy pubs like the Crooked Well and the Camberwell Arms around the corner from a proper hardware store, Morrison’s, and the pound shops of Butterfly Walk. The houses on Camberwell Grove are fabulous.
PullUp · 02/05/2021 19:46

I don’t think London needs any more ‘gentrification’ ie. more white people, more coffee shops/farmers markets and no property under a million quid? Isn’t enough of the city like that? I like Harlesden how it is, thanks!

littlejalapeno · 02/05/2021 19:57

@PullUp what do you mean by “more white people”? Where do you think London is in the world and why should any one type of people have more or less of a claim than any other?

Katjolo · 02/05/2021 20:58

@PullUp

I don’t think London needs any more ‘gentrification’ ie. more white people, more coffee shops/farmers markets and no property under a million quid? Isn’t enough of the city like that? I like Harlesden how it is, thanks!
Bizarre comment! Confused
UpTheJunktion · 02/05/2021 21:54

“I don’t think London needs any more ‘gentrification’ ie. more white people, more coffee shops/farmers markets and no property under a million quid? Isn’t enough of the city like that? I like Harlesden how it is, thanks!”

“Bizarre comment! confused”

Not really, in context.

Gentrification doesn’t mean coffee shops, coffee shops are just an indicator that gentrification is taking place.

Gentrification means that the established community are being replaced by people who are paying more money for housing so that long standing residents have to move away once they need a home to accommodate kids. Areas where generations of close knit communities are broken up because adult children cannot afford to live near their older parents.

Areas where the long standing community see their corner shops selling specific cooking ingredients replaced by hipster delis.

In many of the areas listed on this thread the community displaced is black or Asian. It has been well documented. I live in Brixton, where ‘gentrification’ has affected the white working class community and the black community in many ways, from astronomical house prices to finding that all the favourite restaurants are reducing the spice levels to suit a different palate if not priced out by rising rents by property landlords who get more from the proprietors of champagne bars.

The black orientated (but inclusive) clubs and music venues are replaced by wealthy young (white) party goers from all over London.

It really isn’t surprising that gentrification is often called ‘ethnic cleansing’ when tension runs high, and a Texan billionaire trustsfarian buys Brixton market and evicts a crucial community food store.

The champagne bars and restaurants in Brixton teem with a very different clientele in terms of race and class than the people bearing their heavy carrier bags home into the estates.

There is a race aspect and it is disingenuous to deny it.

twilightcafe · 02/05/2021 22:14

I am keeping an open mind about Manor Park.
I grew up in Forest Gate and my family still live near there. There are a few streets in Manor Park that benefit from being close to Wanstead Flats. The rest has been grubby for decades.

littlejalapeno · 02/05/2021 22:21

Up, yes I agree with your definition of gentrification, and rich people are pricks who are out to make money. But this is also the life cycle of areas- and to give an anecdote, my grandparents we’re from Hounslow and Islington respectively and both sets felt pushed out of their communities by large mono culture immigration to those areas. So my family lost their community links in those areas and scattered to places they could afford. Now I’m not invested in this, I don’t think there are goodies and baddies, it’s nuanced and it’s life. My husband is an immigrant and I speak a foreign language fluently (not his native) and I’ve lived a different part of London where people probably see me as gentrification because I’m white and you don’t get a badge for being born in London to show you’re invested and aren’t just there for the coffee shops and farmers markets.

But let’s not have too short memory spans about community turnover and change and act like some people are more entitled to certain areas than others

earsup · 02/05/2021 23:07

some good points mentioned above people being displaced etc but I know several who bought in Brixton in the late 60's and paid £800 for a 4 storey town house etc...sold up for 2m and went back to Barbados etc!!

hopsalong · 02/05/2021 23:14

Kensal Rise!

Is anywhere more gentrified?

Long streets of narrow Victorian houses, crap transport, bleak main drag, artisanal coffee, cocktail bars, Retruvius galore!

My answer: nowhere. Degentrification is more the thing.