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At what stage should I consider moving DS down a year or taking him out of school? - Long and not very original or interesting I'm afraid.

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bran · 28/10/2008 19:36

DS started in reception this year. I like the school and his teacher, but he's having problems that are getting worse. He won't be five until June, he is the youngest by 2 months, and in his class of 12 at least 7 children will have turned 5 by the end of November. He was at pre-school at the same school from January and took nearly half a term to settle there, but his unsettlement was mostly expressed as being quiet or miserable.

Now he's in reception his behaviour both in school and out is sometimes appalling. The best his teacher ever says when I pick him up is that he had an ok day but didn't listen, mostly I get to hear about the name-calling, hitting, kicking and how many time outs he's had. He's cheeky to the teacher and TA (he calls them poo-poo and stupid which fortunately is the worst that he knows). When I talk to him about his behaviour or discipline him he spits, kicks, bites and occasionally deliberately wets himself. Coming home from school today was a new low, involving spitting at passers-by and wetting himself. His teacher is getting a bit pissed off because he's teaching the other kids bad habbits.

The cause of the behaviour is a bit of a mystery and it's getting worse. His teacher implies that it's because DH works abroad during the week, DH thinks it's the school's fault (although he's never met DS's teacher) except for today when I spoke to him on the phone when he implied it was my fault. I think that DS is young for his age, very active and not at all academic and is simply not capable of sitting still and concentrating for such a long day (it's 9-4), although DH being away doesn't help at all. TBH I had my doubts about the whole system, but when you're in a foreign country you tend to go with the norm and the British people I know don't seem to have had any lasting damage done by starting school early.

When we were in Dublin for half term last week DS reverted back to his usual happy, chatty self, constantly on the go and doing things. He played beautifully with other kids like he used to. There were no tantrums or even much in the way of usage of the word "poo" except when he was tired just before bed. It made me realise just how much school has changed him for the worse, and how unhappy he seems most of the time. I suggested to his teacher that he should drop back to pre-school and she seemed outraged and implied that it would be very damaging for him, but I don't see how it could be worse than it is now.

How long should I wait before I make a decision about this? My instinct is to ask to meet the head of pre-school and his teacher this week but I think logically I should probably leave it to the end of term and see how it goes.

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blackrock · 10/11/2008 16:15

Sorry , read whole post, so glad you have changed the situation.

lingle · 10/11/2008 16:31

I hope Jim Rose will recommend rolling this out in his report (play-based year 1).
my academic, rule-following, high-concentration span DS1 is finding Year 1 hard so heaven help some of the other kids.

soapbox · 10/11/2008 16:39

Gladders - I would poke my eye out with a hot needle before I sent a child of mine to Pointers!

blackrock · 10/11/2008 17:29

I have been teaching for eleven years, seven in foundation to year two. I find it amazing that this is still such a massive issue and that it requires a report by Jim Rose to make the change in 2008!

bran · 10/11/2008 19:44

I went to see Pointers when I was first looking at schools, and I took a strong dislike to the headmaster (he is truly odd IMO). I know a couple of children DS's age who are going there, one is a quiet, focussed child and he likes it there. The other is like DS only more so, loud and active, and he is having trouble and spends a lot of time being disciplined.

I didn't consider Heath House at all, but looking at the website now I can see that they have a very long day too (8.40-3.30). TBH I think most of the Greenwich/Blackheath independent schools are quite academically pushy which isn't really what DS needs at the moment.

He's going for a trial morning on Wednesday at the little school that we visited on Friday. He's been talking about it since Friday and seems quite taken with it, especially as his friend is already there I think.

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gladders · 12/11/2008 13:27

erm soapbox that seems a little harsh? it may not be your chosen school (and incidentally isn't mine) but does have a reputation of supporting children of all abilitites, and of having a foundation stage that is play-based. I also think they are likely to have spaces.

The uniform may be rather OTT and the headmaster an acquired taste - I was only trying to think of other options for a mother in a tight spot.....

gladders · 12/11/2008 13:31

sorry - have just read your post Bran - seems we agree on the headmaster then?!

There is a new steiner school in Mycenae House in Blackheath - I'm not sure if that is different from the Greenwich school you had referred to?

I think most mainstream (non steiner/montessori) schools will have a longish day from reception though?

Littlefish · 13/11/2008 20:47

Any news Bran? How did ds get on at the little school?

bran · 15/11/2008 15:20

Sorry for the lack of update, it's not easy to MN with DS around. I read a sci-fi story ages ago that depicted an artifically equal society. So people with good sight had to wear glasses that reduced their sight so they didn't have an advantage over naturally poorly-sighted people, similar things for people with good hearing and the naturally athletic. Intelligent planners had an interrupt device fitted that sensed when they were thinking deeply and gave a slight electric shock (or something) so that they could never concentrate on anything. My interrupt device is DS, it's very difficult to compose a long MN post with a constant whine of "Muuuuum, I'm bored".

The Greenwich Steiner has been around a while gladders, about a decade I think, but it's just moved to Mycenae Road. We have decided not to go and see it (their open day is this afternoon). I think it might suit DS very well but the school aims for a strong community feel from the parents and I think DH and I would never really fit in. On a slightly shallower level I also don't want to give up the TV even though I hardly watch it anymore.

DS went for a trial 2 hours at the little school on Wednesday. He really enjoyed it and didn't want to leave when I came to pick him up. The reception teacher said that he fitted in very well with the class, joined in with the activities and generally seemed happy and involved. There is a parental interview with the head and a couple of govenors this Friday (21st) and if they accept him he could start on the following Monday. He has asked a couple of times when he can go back to J's school (his friend J goes there) so it's all looking very optimistic.

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bran · 21/11/2008 16:09

Hurrah, we had the interview with the head and a govenor today. We liked them (would it be inappropriate to mention that the govenor looked like a younger, straighter John Barrowman ), they liked us, DS starts on Monday. DS is happy, he's been asking if he can go back. Apparently he made a bit impression as according to his teacher some of the children were asking if he was coming back too. I feel as though a weight has lifted from my shoulders.

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bran · 25/11/2008 22:39

I know that this thread is getting dull now, but I would just like to say that he started yesterday and he's doing half-days this week. When I picked him up at lunchtime today his teacher said he had been 'delightful' and on the way home in the car DS asked if he could go all day tomorrow.

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CarGirl · 25/11/2008 22:42

really pleased for you both x

Littlefish · 30/11/2008 09:30

Oh Bran, I'm so pleased that he has started well. Long may it continue . You've had a rough time recently and you deserve a bit of boring normality!

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