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Disheartening parents evening

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SillyBear1 · 14/10/2024 20:11

Hi,

We’ve just had our first parents evening of Reception and I’m feeling a bit disheartened by it (although obviously keeping this to myself and not telling DS!)

DS is 4, will be 5 early next year. He’s attended nursery and their attached pre-school since around 10 months old. He’s never had any concerns raised from them or health visitors - our last parents evening from pre-school lasted all of a couple of minutes where she just told us he was great and a HV’s feedback was that she hadn’t heard a child speak as well as he can, for years.

He’s a wonderful boy and I tell him everyday how proud I am of him and that all I want is for him to try his best but I felt something wasn’t communicating from home/school.
School graded him as being in the ‘birth to 3’ category for pretty much everything and there was lots said that he couldn’t do that he can and has been able to do for a very long time (recognising his name as a basic example).

They said he can’t blend his phonics (although does recognise them) but he reads these no issue at home. They’ve put him into a very small ‘support’ group for phonics now and he’ll be getting books with no words in. I don’t want to overface him and put him off so I appreciate this but a small part of me feels disappointed.

They also said his fine motor skills are poor and he cannot grasp scissors or hold a pencil so they’ve moved him down a step but didn’t seem to say what this would entail. He’s shown no preference for a dominant hand in writing and his pictures are all just scribble still with no clear shapes. They said we should use play dough or colanders at home.
He’s never shown an interest in drawing at home even though we’ve offered it alongside crafts. We’ve printed out pictures of different characters he might like and given him these to colour which keeps his attention a bit more.

He’s formed a close friendship with another boy but he’s quiet and the pair of them would stay in one area of the classroom all day if they could. He’s coming across as quite shy and I don’t know if that’s why what he can do isn’t coming across at school.

There were 2 big learning diary books showing off what the class had been doing and it was full of answers/comments from the same children and DS barely featured.

He’s such an imaginative and funny little boy who never stops talking at home. He questions everything and has so much knowledge about the world (his memory is also incredible). He loves reading and we’ve read to him every night since before he was born.

I have noticed however that when we’re present, he refuses to speak to whoever else is around - tonight for example, he refused to speak to the teacher and just sat hiding himself on us. He would also do this at pre-school, refuse to speak to the staff at drop off/pick up when we were there.
He also doesn’t seem to enjoy group activities but will play lovely on smaller terms e.g. we took him to a football club last year but he refused to get involved at all and just jumped around in front of me making loud noises, telling the adults ‘no’ if they tried to encourage him.

I’ve fell down an overthinking hole - not because I want to be a pushy parent or pressure him (!) - just through wanting to support him and I know it’s only early and they develop at different times.
I’m questioning whether it’s very simply that he’s only 4, it’s new and he’s a bit shy, but then I have other silly thoughts wondering if pre-school have missed something or I’ve not been good enough in some way.

Is there anything else I can be doing to help him? I just want him to be happy at school but making sure if he needs any help, we’re there for him.

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NewmummyJ · 14/10/2024 20:16

Does he just need a bit more time? It seems so early to be making judgements when he's not been at school long at all. My son (still at pre-school) can be very different with new people, especially if he doesn't feel comfortable, that you could get such a different impression of him than how he is with us. Maybe he just needs to settle a bit more.

Whocanbelieveit · 14/10/2024 20:22

Poor Boy, he is only 4 and just started school. They have barely had him enough time to judge where he is at yet. He sounds a little shy, but when he feels more comfortable at school I expect he will be just fine.

wafflesmgee · 14/10/2024 20:26

Give it time and also do what the school suggested.
The phonics groups are fluid and they reassess every term so just because he's in it now doesn't mean he will be forever.
Look up cognitive load theory, there's a lot for him to take in as he is settling into school, once it all becomes more familiar he will be OK. E.g. if, during phonics, he sits with legs crossed most of his brain could be thinking "I must cross my legs, this floor is cold/carpet is itchy, why is x person wiggling?" Not concentrating on the word cards.

If you are worried about him falling behind in phonics Google the scheme and buy their resources and do at home.

Pinkruler · 14/10/2024 20:29

Agree - he's only 4. If he can do things at home I wouldn't worry.
From your description of what they're going on about i assumed you were talking about 6 year old.

How can they have that much on the other kids - they've only been in school a few weeks.

since1986 · 14/10/2024 20:51

"his pictures are all just scribble still with no clear shapes"

From experience, I would say that's quite unusual at 4 for a reception age child. Could it be worth trying another medium for it? Such as chalks, felts or even pavement/wall drawing, that sort of thing?

SarahAndQuack · 14/10/2024 20:54

He sounds like a lovely child and totally normal. I think you just have to smile and nod. It's totally meaningless.

SillyBear1 · 14/10/2024 20:56

Thank you all.

It feels so early to be having a parents evening and we know and have only ever heard good things about him his whole life, so now it just feels a bit disappointing to hear him almost judged and not in a good way.

It all seemed to be things he couldn’t do - he couldn’t tell them what adding one more to something was, he can’t blend his phonics, he can only count to 17, can’t recognise his name, can’t do his Velcro on his shoes etc (he does these at home).

I’m in no way disappointed with him - just disappointed for him but that seed of doubt has been planted that they were hinting towards something else as she said he can’t hold scissors or hold a pencil for writing which is why he’s in a small phonics group as he can’t do the writing side of things.

Just hoping with time he might feel more comfortable to show them what he can do!

Before he started we got sent a list of things they’d recommend they could do and he could do all of it and more. He can count to 30, count backwards, recognise shapes, colours etc.

We’ve got the phonics flashcards for the system his school uses and use those as well as going through the weekly sheets they send home. These show the letters they’ve been learning with a description of how to say the sounds and then 3 letter words underneath to practice sounding out and blending. He can recognise the letters, tell me how you would write it, sound it out and recognises all the letters/blend them to make the word.

Will definitely look at other mediums for drawing as someone suggested, thank you.

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Sunnysundayicecream · 14/10/2024 21:01

I was a reception teacher for many years and would says it is way to early to panic, he's only been there a few weeks.

Develop his finger muscles by using play dough, baking, using peg boards, lego and pegging washing out (my little boy used to love creating amazing peg structures). Old fashioned activities such as tap a picture (using nails, hammers and wooden piece) are good for engaging boys.

To develop pencil control try painting, mazes, wipe clean boards and dot to dots - without numbers.

There are lots of apps to develop phonics such as teach your monster to read. You can also play simple game with cvc objects. Lay a range infront of you and ask him to find the c-u-p, can he find it. Write the word down can he sound it put and find?

Whatever you do have fun together 🤗

Tooposhtowashboard · 14/10/2024 21:04

My DC went to a foreign school at 4 and was the worst in the class for everything! By the time he was 6 he was better than the native speakers at grammar and comprehension. 4 is very young. Just keep doing what you are doing and stop worrying.

Bananasinpyjamas1988 · 14/10/2024 21:08

No advice but complete solidarity as I just basically posted the same thing:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/primary/5187420-reception-child-very-anxious?reply=139030270

ChefsKisser · 14/10/2024 21:09

I agree it’s early but I also think it’s important not to take offence at people commenting on your child as long as they’re a suitable person (eg teacher or sport coach or whatever) and it’s constructive. Part of your upset seems to be that’s anyone’s said anything other than glowing compliments about your child and realistically that’s life! They will have amazing parts and parts they can improve and you need to be able to take that information and use it to help them not kick back against it. It sounds like he’s very quiet at school so they won’t hear him count to 30 etc and so can’t tick him off as capable. That will come but don’t blame the teacher for raising it!

1stWorldProblems · 14/10/2024 21:09

Also worth getting his hearing checked if you've not done so already. DD2 has severe glue ear at that age and could just about hear well enough to have conversations with us in the relative quiet of home. But in the noisy environment of YR with a smaller ratio of adults to children, she was unable to hear instructions, phonics, etc. She wouldn't speak because she couldn't hear / understand the questions and had frequent melt downs at the end of the day as she was exhausted trying up hear. All those issues went away within about 48 hours of grommits being put in.

Children that small are also often either short or long sighted but unable to express their issues.

User37482 · 14/10/2024 21:11

He’s just started and it sounds more like an issue of engaging rather than not being able. if he can count to 30 forwards and back at home and only 17 at school this doesn’t sound like he’s unable. Have you asked him to add and subtract 1?

He sounds like maybe he could do with some confidence building? Can you take a video of him doing phonics at home and send it in so they can see what he can do?

Mine never liked to draw, she was advanced for her age, just hated drawing. So beading and crafts were better. It may also be that he doesn’t have a dominant hand, could he be mixed handed, ambidextrous etc?

twomanyfrogsinabox · 14/10/2024 21:13

My DD was like this, wouldn't talk to the teachers so they marked her down on everything. She was a real chatterbox at home, very advanced in vocabulary could count very well, they just said they hadn't seen it so couldn't mark things as achieved. She did grow out of the extreme not talking at school, but was always a quiet, shy child until she was much older.

Bearbookagainandagain · 14/10/2024 21:16

Not a parent of school aged children, so this might be really stupid... but if you say he can do all things at home like the phonics, could you record him and show his teacher?
This would at least prove to school that his issue isn't learning but social?

My concern would be that of they keep putting him in lower groups because "he can't do things", he will get demotivated/bored and started hating school.
Also I don't think it will solve the actual problem which is interacting with his teacher and class.

wickerlady · 14/10/2024 21:17

I agree with PP, I'm sure once he settles and comes out of his shell a little more, the teachers will see what you see and he will start to flourish.

Honestly, at the early stage I wouldn't worry, just carry on as you are as you are doing all the right things - he sounds like a lovely little boy

Newuser75 · 14/10/2024 21:20

We had similar with our youngest. They had his targets as being things I knew he could do but when questioned it turned out that he wasn't showing them and wasn't speaking up in front of the rest of the group/class so they just presumed he didn't know!
He is in year one now and exceeding most of his targets.
Just give him time to settle in properly and try to encourage fine motor skills activities such as playing with play doh, using scissors, threading activities etc.
I bet in a few months you will be hearing a different story!

PonkyPonky · 14/10/2024 21:35

Our first parents evening in reception was way more about their emotional wellbeing. It was all how he was settling, making friends well, confidence etc etc.
They didn’t really get much into the academics of it all when they’d only been there 6 weeks. I wouldn’t worry too much yet. My son’s favourite game to help with phonics blending was ‘silly soup’. You cut up a load of squares of paper, you’ll need one colour to write vowels on and a different colour for consonants. Then you can fold them up, put them in a bowl, get him to stir the soup and pick out 2 consonants and 1 vowel to sound out a CVC word together.
He’ll get there, don’t worry.

legallyblond · 14/10/2024 21:37

I got this sort of feedback early on with one of my twins. It was obviously all the more marked because his twin was doing everything expected of them in class. I agree with the “he’ll settle down / he’s only 4” comments etc, but…

  • Do check for physical issues. Like another PP, it turns out my child was really quite deaf but could mask that / cope at home.
  • There were some issues, ie he was behind despite me thinking him brilliant!! We worked really hard on all the teachers recommended at home. Loads of play doh, specific fine motor skills stuff like beading and other fiddly crafts, I bought the full Julia Donaldson reading free phonics books (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reading-Songbirds-Collection-36-Books-RRP128-82/dp/019841109X) and taught phonics at home, we started piano (I play plus I so that was just with me teaching, no formal lessons), we nailed shoelaces, etc… he absolutely did need extra help in those areas and needed it one to one…
  • I’m married to a teacher and I had to really swallow my “but he’s brilliant” parent instant reaction and (helped by teacher DH!) listen and realise he was a bit behind and focus on how I could help.

Anyway he’s now 11, super bright, v academic, still a bit rubbish at handwriting, but pretty good on piano!

Have faith he’ll be fine, but instead of being sure he can do all those things at home so he must be fine, definitely take the teachers’ suggestions (this is the stuff they are trained to spot.. they have seen lots of YR kids so absolutely do know what is normal and know how to draw out quiet kids) and focus on where they think he needs extra time and attention.

CloudPop · 14/10/2024 21:39

Poor little chap, a few weeks into reception and getting that kind of feedback, how incredibly demoralising. He will - of course - be fine. He sounds lovely. Difficult to hear and I'm really not sure how helpful it is

SillyBear1 · 14/10/2024 21:41

@Bananasinpyjamas1988 Oh I’d just been reading your thread and it was like I’d written it! I hope you find the right path for you both; it’s so hard as you want the best for them and for them to be happy. They’re so small still and can have so much pressure on them.

Thank you everyone for your reassuring comments and suggestions. It’s definitely not about a struggle to hear anything other than good about him - just the confusion of him being recorded as unable to do things he can and how we can help him feel more confident.

I’m not annoyed at the teacher, more confused and a bit disappointed at the situation. I think it’s a normal reaction when it’s your first child. I won’t be writing angry statuses on social media about them or demanding extra meetings to say they’re wrong 😂.
The teacher is lovely and of course I’m happy to work with them for his best interest.

I know some slight bias but he really is lovely and I’m very proud of him.

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Aliceisagooddog · 14/10/2024 21:47

He's so little!! Please just try and take a step back and relax about it all. Teachers have targets and assessments to do, but in reality you are the expert on him. Being shy of adults is completely normal. Not being interested in drawing etc is no big deal, he'll soon be getting there. At this age the social stuff is the most important, so if he's making friends it's great.

GretchenWienersHair · 14/10/2024 21:51

These sound like ridiculous expectations for the beginning of reception class. Yes, lots of children will be able to do things like blend phonics and have a good pencil grip at this age, but lots also will not. I’m pretty sure that some of these skills are not expected for all children until Year 1, so why they are “grading” him in this way so early on sounds ridiculous to me.

catsnore · 14/10/2024 21:53

I think a lot of this type of feedback is because teachers are under pressure to evidence every little thing and create a paper trail that everyone is aware of. It's not their fault - they have to do it, but if a child is too shy to do things at school yet there are going to be lots of unticked boxes. I am sure that as he gains confidence he will makes loads of progress and you'll start to get more glowing reports! 4 is still so little and he's only just started.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 14/10/2024 21:56

Starting Reception is brutal OP. You won’t be the only parent to have a bit of a kick up the arse at first parents evening.
It is so early in his school career and he has loads of time to catch up. Keep encouraging him and helping him and he will get there.