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teaching is just buggered up isn't it?

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Twiglett · 13/03/2008 17:29

with the mollycoddled brats who are brought up with no sense of respect for education or basic manners and the my-child-centred parents who believe that nobody is allowed to say boo to their kids

sad, very sad

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wildwoman · 13/03/2008 17:30

here here [said in back bencher doubled chin fashion]

dustystar · 13/03/2008 17:31

I agree with you Twig. Teachers today have a really tough job.

PenelopePitstops · 13/03/2008 17:31

agree twig, any spcific reaons?

BoysAreLikeDogs · 13/03/2008 17:31

Twiglett what's happened ?

Cam · 13/03/2008 17:31
Flight · 13/03/2008 17:32

I agree the school system is in the shit but I don't blame 'mollycoddling' as such.

Yorkiegirl · 13/03/2008 17:32

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Twiglett · 13/03/2008 17:33

nothing specific, just a reaction to attitudes on other threads over the years

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southeastastra · 13/03/2008 17:33

it's cause people only have one or two children so they're spoilt, and spoilt at school too. (imo!)

elesbells · 13/03/2008 17:34

Agree twig

cornsilk · 13/03/2008 17:35

Agree. It's really changed since I started.

brimfull · 13/03/2008 17:36

totally agree
little brats with complete support from their parents

princessosyth · 13/03/2008 17:40

I can't say I have noticed this attitude on MN but I remember this was true back in the seventies when I was growing up so maybe haven't really changed that much.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 13/03/2008 17:45

What doesn't help is when parents expect the school to provided all things to all children, kick off when equipment is broken and not replaced yet refuse to join in fundraising

Blandmum · 13/03/2008 17:47

This is an example from today.

Now granted this was in secondary but even so....

I had to pull up a kid today for throwing bits of cake around the corridor outside my lab. I asked him to pick u the mess that he had made (he is 13 btw) and he refused saying that he hadn't thrown it on the floor, he had thrown it at a friend.

I insisted that he clear up the mess and he continued to argue the toss. In the mean time other children walked past and accidentally trod the food into the floor making a further mess.

At this point he say that he 'couldn't pick up the mess' and that 'It is the cleaner's job'

I insisted that he get some paper and clear up the mess that he made.

He did so, and wasted 5-10 minutes of my time.

Doubtless he is telling his mother how he was bullied into clearing the floor by a nasty teacher.....

Who knows , his mother may well believe him.

[sigh]

Such behaviour isn't going to wreck his life or mine, but by damn you get farking sick of it after a while.

Twiglett · 13/03/2008 17:50

forcible sterilisation seems rather appealing sometimes

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Boco · 13/03/2008 17:52

From being in a school as a volunteer, I wouldn't say it's always the 'my child centred parents' causing the problems, it's the opposite, the kids i know who behave badly at school have parents who pick them up from school and whack them around the head for having a dirty shirt and then shout at them all the way home.

Twiglett · 13/03/2008 17:53

and yet surely you've noticed the 'my-child-centred' parents taking up inordinate amounts of teacher's time and marching into school at the drop of a hat?

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KerryMum · 13/03/2008 17:55

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kerala · 13/03/2008 17:56

Twiglett I hear the same from my dad, who has been teaching for over 30 years. He has noticed that the attitude of many parents has changed, automatically taking the child's side against the school, often without questioning that the child may not necessarily be utterly reliable/truthful.

Blandmum · 13/03/2008 17:57

I know of a mother who complained that her child had missed a music lesson, and the teacher had gone to a funeral, his mother's!

It isn't the childre centerness that is the worry so much as 'my child can do no wrong, ever'

So I've known a mother say that it was her fault that her 16 year old son told me to fuck off when I asked him to do up his top button. He fault, you see, because his shirt was too tight. Which wasn't true. But her son couldn't be wrong

Blandmum · 13/03/2008 17:59

No-one is asking to bring back corporal punishment Kerrymum, all we want is that children to come to school with some idea that they are not, in fact the centre of the known universe. And that other people have needs and feelings. Increasingly I'm teaching children who will not behave, because they have been raised to be the only improtant person in the room. Not healthy IMHO

LilRedWG · 13/03/2008 18:01

My sister tells me the same thing. It makes teaching doubly hard for her and others when parents do not teach their children to show other people respect.

Blandmum · 13/03/2008 18:02

THis amused me twig, from the Times Ed suppliment of a few weeks ago. I think is describes the sort of thing you are talking about

'Big Bang looms on Planet Davy

Emily Shark
Published: 01 February 2008

A life in the year of Emily Shark
"Why did you give Davy a detention when he says he didn't do anything?"

Well, let's see now. It was raining, I was premenstrual and the moon was in Scorpio. Also, Davy refused to stop hurling himself against another child, but that's a detail.

"We can discuss this again, Mrs Hubble, but first we really do need to talk about his Sats ... ".

I wish Mr Hubble would stop chewing his hand like that. I wonder if they planned this? "We'll both go to parents' evening, but I'll do the talking. You just stare at her and look psychopathic. Now, which of us is going to read her markbook upside-down this year?

"And another thing, Miss Shark. Have you found his coat yet?"

Oh, dear. It's all in the "yet". Some parents betray their skewed image of the universe in one word. Yes, every day I drag Davy and only Davy towards his Sats. At night I look for his coat. I have not found it "yet" because it is probably squashed and rotting behind a radiator in the science block. When it is found - some time in 2012 - it will no longer look like a coat.

"It's just that it was new this term and we'd rather not buy him another one yet."

And again, "yet".

Davy is growing up at the centre of his parents' universe, but not in a good way. No wonder he explodes when I ask him to do something he doesn't want to do. He sees me as a satellite out of its orbit. His parents revolve around him, so why don't I?

Many of us go through a terrible moment when we realise that we are not at the centre of the solar system. The sun is - there's a clue in the name. But if his own parents haven't had this Copernican moment about Davy, then when will Davy have it?

This is already the third school they have put him in. They will probably keep searching for a school that has a perfect, comfortable, Davy-shaped hole at the centre of it.

What they don't realise is that one day, this swirling ball of dust and gas that is hormonal Davy is going to harden into the adult Planet Davy.

It will be a very confused planet that thinks it's the sun. It will keep expecting everything else to revolve around it, just as its parents did. Not many things will, though, except perhaps a pale moon of a girlfriend.

School is chaos. There are loud bangs and flying rocks as all these developing planets keep smashing into each other. They carry on smashing and growing until eventually they cool down into some sort of permanent shape. Meanwhile, the teachers just hope they can escape into the black hole of the summer holidays before they're all pulverised.

As for this parents' evening, all I can really hope for is that it ends not with a bang but a whimper.

More from Emily in a fortnight. '