teaching is just buggered up isn't it?

[Twiglett]

with the mollycoddled brats who are brought up with no sense of respect for education or basic manners and the my-child-centred parents who believe that nobody is allowed to say boo to their kids

sad, very sad

But soapy. If the sexes were still together for break times, assemblies etc wouldn't it be the best of both worlds?

just single sex lessons, not the whole school

Because yes, I agree - I don't like single-sex schools either.

No - it isn't the best of all worlds in my book - it is segregation on the basis of gender, which I think is appalling!

What next - female and male sections in the office, so that you don't waste work time talking to the men!

No thank you! A terrible idea!

Besides, I'd never have got an A for my physics higher, if the boy I sat next to me hadn't been there to explain it all to me

yes but the changes children go through at secondary is a socially weird time, there's alot of male showing off in the classroom. they can show off at lunch or pe.

But it is a socially weird time, but that is when they learn how to be normal again

Learning how to be friends and socialise (and work with) the opposite sex, is an important part of growing up.

Oops - that should have said 'yes it is a socially...'

but it can hinder alot of people too, it's probably great if you're confident

Ah well, Dave might like my idea..

As an adult though I would (I hope!) have enough control over my emotions/hormones to be able to concentrate at work if sitting near a yummy man.

At 13 I couldn't and really did lose out on a lot as a result. And I know a lot of time was wasted in class by other children trying to impress the boys/girls.

But you aren't going to get any more confident in dealing with the opposite sex, if you have less interaction with them are you?

LOL - you are joking Bubble - I sometimes think I'm in a rabbit hutch not an office judging by what is going on!

i think we should keep girls away from them for as long as possible.

especially when studying for important life changing exams

But you'll have the social interaction at break times etc.

There was too much boy/girl flirting/ socialising going on in my classes at 13, TBH

And I'm clueless as to geographical glacial whatsits as a result.

WEll, not as buggered us as being a politician, if MN opinion polls are the bar.

People just like to moan and have plenty of opportunity to vent such useless spleen.

Well I am sure you can live without the glacial whotsits But who would really have preferred to have missed out on all that flirting opportunity

LOL, Soapy. I haven't worked in an office for years - but they are hotbeds, aren't they??!

Do businesses have 'no shagging colleagues' clauses? Or did I just make that up?

I think some do have no shagging clauses - but of course they have to find you out

I can feel an office-based career change a-calling.

Night all.

My dd is at an all girls secondary school. Her choice, not mine - I was horrified at the very idea. But I have to say that from what I've seen so far, the environment seems to allow them to stay children for longer. Her friends at mixed schools seem to me to be forced into very "grown up" ways very early. Dd was starting to develop a sort of hard "spohisticated" shell in year 6 - she has gone back to "playing" in secondary school - much to my delight.

They do say, don't they that the best solution is for our dd's to go to single sex schools so they can get on with some work, and our ds's to go to mixed schools to be socialized by someone else's dds!

Oh lord - just seem to errant apostrophes in my last post!

"kids need to be respected" .. my big fat hairy arse they do!

They have to earn respect by behaving well and respectiely and with manners.. as do their parents in some instances.

Well, Twig, if you read my posts you'll see that that was what I was trying to say.

Nobody deserves much respect if they don't behave appropriately.

I sustain my point that kids and teachers ought to be respected - and deserve that respect.

The first two lines were a quotation from Twig - I should have put quotes round the whole lot.

Anyway I haven't got a big hairy arse like Twig, but you all know that.

Haven't read the whole thread but I think that most of those things can be applied to child/parent as well. in

I got a (hard) slap when I'd misbehaved. Everything I read about how to behave towards my child goes against everything that's ever happened to me. The result? I have two dds who have an attitude. I kind of respect that, but not when they're sitting there saying 'No, you're not putting that nit comb through me.

However .. gasp .. I do think I've managed to instill in them a sense of respect - they (and bus drivers are in awe of this) say thank you, respect their teachers et al.

But yesterday was 'indoor play' time. I take my hat off to dd2's teacher, or any teacher for that matter, 'cos I for one had absolutely no control over some of them. This is Y3. All I could do was take a couple aside and give them 'time out' till their teacher returned. Rank of me.

I think that a lot of this come to the 'rights and responsibilities' thing.

People are very hot on their rights nowerdays and not so hot on their responsibilities.

Kids will tell you that they have the 'right' to behave as they wish, forgetting that the other kids in the classroom have the 'right' to get an education.

Parents who raise their child to think they are the centre of the universe raise children who do't see that other people have rights too. And that they have the reponsibility to behave in a way that doesn't infringe those rights.

These parents expect everying to revolve around their child. I've had parents ask my why I haven't gone rond the school replacing all the books their teenage child ruined by soaking them in water. I've had parents who expected me to search the school (1300 kids so big) for their child's lost shoes.