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If your child did the 11+ did they get GD in all the SATs papers?

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oldoldieoldieold · 20/07/2023 21:34

I'm just curious. There seems to be an unspoken rule amongst the parents I know not to discuss SATs results which is fine by me but it means I can't ask anyone irl.
My DS didn't do 11+. Unfortunately he's the kind of child who you have to coerce and bribe into doing any work so 11+ was never going to work! A few of his friends were tutored solidly for 2yrs. Most but not all got into very good grammars, which is great for them.
But it did make me wonder about how those kids found SATs. It was painful trying to get my DS to do the practice papers (which I tired to do more for getting him into a routine with homework ready for yr7 rather than because I thinks SATs are important). He did minimal work but lucky enough to get GD in maths and reading and just missed it in the SPAG paper.
I'm assuming then for the 11+ kids SATs we're just a walk in the park?would they obviously all get GD?

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Howmanysleepsnow · 20/07/2023 21:40

Not 11+ per se, but there’s one selective in our county. DS didn’t get in (30 applicants per place) but got the same as yours on SATS. We didn’t have a tutor though- I didn’t want him scraping a place then struggling to keep up.

podspro · 20/07/2023 21:41

Mine is sitting 11+ this September so can't share any data but I'm pretty sure DS will be GD in all, only because he's always been GD in all subjects (the ones that go up to GD) since Y1.

I don't think sitting an 11+ would automatically mean they will get GD though. It would also depend on whether the grammar schools are just selective or super selective. They may have just scraped a pass in 11+.

immergeradeaus · 20/07/2023 21:42

My two dc who did selection tests at 11 got near full marks on Sats.

modgepodge · 20/07/2023 21:42

I would expect anyone who passed the 11+ to get a scaled score of 110+ on average so GD, yes. 11+ (where I am) is averaged though so good scores on one bit will drag up a weaker score on other bits, so it’s possible they might get a very high score on eg reading and a little lower in maths, but I’d still imagine a bit over the 100 mark - otherwise they will struggle at grammar school! Just having done the tutoring for 11+ wouldn’t necessarily make them get good SATS scores - but if they passed they’re clearly quite able.

namechangedyetagain · 20/07/2023 21:46

Mine did (and for writing). Didn't even break a sweat or bother doing much for sats as by then he already had his place at grammar. Trouble is, he now has a ridiculous flight path to GCSE grades.

alwaysraining123 · 20/07/2023 21:47

Sorry I don’t have an answer but I’m intrigued in other people’s responses. We’re in a grammar county sadly. My child is doing okay, 111 in English and 105 in Maths. Don’t know if they stand a chance in the 11+. They have got two years left.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 20/07/2023 21:51

DD took the 11+ but didn't score high enough for the grammar we wanted. No tuition. She did get over 110 in all her SATS.

Dibblydoodahdah · 20/07/2023 21:55

My DS got into a super selective grammar. He didn’t do official SATs because it was a COVID year. The school did the previous year’s SATs with the kids but didn’t inform the parents of the results. I asked DS what his results were. He said, “oh I only got one wrong Mummy”. So I presume he did ok!

Isittimetogohomeyet · 20/07/2023 22:06

My did got a solid 11+ pass but didn't get GD in Maths at SATs. She broke her hand two days before though and ended up with a scribe which didn't help but it was always and still is her weakest subject. She's had absolutely no issues with keeping up at the grammar though.

whiteroseredrose · 20/07/2023 22:18

immergeradeaus · 20/07/2023 21:42

My two dc who did selection tests at 11 got near full marks on Sats.

So did mine, years ago. But both always worked hard at school, without any effort or bribery from us.

WickedUsername · 20/07/2023 22:22

My dd got 118 maths and SPAG, has consistently worked every year ahead and beyond the curriculum.....

Failed to get into the only local grammar....

FusionChefGeoff · 20/07/2023 22:25

No grammars here but one school locally accepts based on aptitude in a technology test.

DS didn't get in and we had a letter saying he wasn't in the top 12.5% which was thresholds

He got 120/120 for maths and 119/120 for SPAG and found them all 'easy' so god knows what happened in the aptitude test!

Busornobus67 · 20/07/2023 23:17

Mine got gd in all 3 but not writing. Just with work at home on maths.
But foR reading over 25% get gd so doesnt tell you much.
Maths is the hardest. But percentiles go up dramatically with by 113 only 9%.
The sats maths arent particularly hard which is worse as to do very well you have to be very accurate.
The primary maths challenge is harder. So depends on the exact test.
Also sats are several months later giving more time to cover the y6 work.
Dc wouldnt have gotten into a grammar round here if there were one. Most her class seem to have gotten GD!

But also even if say maths put dd in top 9% that doesnt include private schools or even home ed.
But also not kids disapplied of which 6% were in her class. So it may balance out??
But its definitely true many schools are benefiting from results from dc being tutored even if it isnt for 11+
Plus lots of homework.
About 20% of sept borns get gd in w/w/m. So that wouldnt be specific enough to separate for grammar.

Lucimaya · 20/07/2023 23:49

Mine goes to Grammar. SATs GD in all but Maths which was 1 mark off GD.

PreplexJ · 21/07/2023 02:11

All subjected passed at high end of GD, SAT is much easier than 11+ in London area.

VashtaNerada · 21/07/2023 03:13

Where I live, 11+ is much harder than SATs. I personally think 11+ shouldn’t contain anything they haven’t learnt at school (so nothing beyond Y5). If I hadn’t helped my DC prepare, they wouldn’t have passed which seems completely against the original ethos of the 11+. SATs are much more tailored to the content they do across Y6.

lorisparkle · 21/07/2023 06:30

In our area the 11+ is very different to the SATs. Primary schools prepare children for the SATs and the children are all very familiar with the format. However the 11+ is a completely different style of paper which unless the parents prepare them for they will never have seen. This means some children will do well in SATs but not in the 11+.

Alargeoneplease89 · 21/07/2023 06:39

Mine passed her 11+ and for sats got 120 for reading / spag and 113 maths.

Tbh if your child doesn't like work then he probably wouldn't enjoy grammar

spanieleyes · 21/07/2023 06:43

We are the same. The 11+ is solely verbal and non verbal reasoning. There is nothing " curriculum based" at all except for a single algebra section but you don't need to know algebra rules to work out the answers. Some children receive tuition in how to approach the different sections, the 11+ schools provide practise papers to familiarise the children with the types of questions. Most children who do well in the 11+ do well in SATS but that's because they tend to be the brightest. But every year there are a few "well, I never thought they would pass" children who go on to grammar with scaled scores at expected level. It's not a highly selective area, which definitely makes a difference.

Goldencup · 21/07/2023 06:46

oldoldieoldieold · 20/07/2023 21:34

I'm just curious. There seems to be an unspoken rule amongst the parents I know not to discuss SATs results which is fine by me but it means I can't ask anyone irl.
My DS didn't do 11+. Unfortunately he's the kind of child who you have to coerce and bribe into doing any work so 11+ was never going to work! A few of his friends were tutored solidly for 2yrs. Most but not all got into very good grammars, which is great for them.
But it did make me wonder about how those kids found SATs. It was painful trying to get my DS to do the practice papers (which I tired to do more for getting him into a routine with homework ready for yr7 rather than because I thinks SATs are important). He did minimal work but lucky enough to get GD in maths and reading and just missed it in the SPAG paper.
I'm assuming then for the 11+ kids SATs we're just a walk in the park?would they obviously all get GD?

Long time ago but yes DS got all 6s ( it was that long ago) DD got full marks (? 128?) across the board. Yes SATS were easy after the 11+, we did keep the tutoring going for Dd in yr 6 as DS had been soooo bored.

Daydreamscometrue · 21/07/2023 06:46

Mine got 118 (reading), 120 (SPAG), 120 (maths) and GD for writing. He passed the 11+.

EmeraldFox · 21/07/2023 06:48

No, on none of them. Easily got into a super selective without tutoring (I bought one book and he self taught).

sydenhamhiller · 21/07/2023 06:55

DC1 got GDS for SATs, and went to SS grammar. When he applied his grammar was 1 hour maths and 1 hour English paper (reading comp and essay). He had a tutor one hour a week/ 2 weeks in y5 until he sat the 11+ in September of y6. We never did any SATs practice, because we did not care how he did - it was just data for primary.

DC2 got GDS reading, maths, spag and EXS for writing, and at grammar. This test was VR/NVR. No tutoring/ practice in y6 once 11+ over, as reason above.

DC3 has just finished y6. Full marks for SATS reading paper, 116 for maths and spag. She had a tutor once a week in y5 until she sat grammar tests in September of y6. No tutoring/ past SATS paper practice outside school in y6 for same reasons above.

Meadowfly · 21/07/2023 06:56

Yes I think so. But already had grammar place so SATs weren’t very important to them. Y6 was boring academically for them, not much stretch as the focus was so much on SATs.

NobbyButtons · 21/07/2023 07:05

My son got greater depth in all the year 6 SATS as did about 6 or 7 other children in his class. He was one of five in his class to go to grammar school - no idea if the other four also got GD in everything. Looking at the 2022 GCSE data for his school, some pupils were classed as medium rather than high prior attainers.

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