If your child did the 11+ did they get GD in all the SATs papers?

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I'm just curious. There seems to be an unspoken rule amongst the parents I know not to discuss SATs results which is fine by me but it means I can't ask anyone irl.
My DS didn't do 11+. Unfortunately he's the kind of child who you have to coerce and bribe into doing any work so 11+ was never going to work! A few of his friends were tutored solidly for 2yrs. Most but not all got into very good grammars, which is great for them.
But it did make me wonder about how those kids found SATs. It was painful trying to get my DS to do the practice papers (which I tired to do more for getting him into a routine with homework ready for yr7 rather than because I thinks SATs are important). He did minimal work but lucky enough to get GD in maths and reading and just missed it in the SPAG paper.
I'm assuming then for the 11+ kids SATs we're just a walk in the park?would they obviously all get GD?

No, did no extra work for SATS at home, the school did a session til 4:30 every Monday to hot house them! My child passed 11+ ... just. the only concern I had was that the SATS results mirrored her 11+ achievement else it would be a bit embarrassing haha! She just scraped GD in the maths at 110 but did fine with GD in spag and English and just ' expected' in writing. By the time SATS came 'we' were so done with any extra studying . So didn't.

Ds was only sent home something for SATs in the Easter holidays, he started school just before Easter. He mostly had a look over it, did some harder questions. The grammar was new to him so his teacher talked him through some of it in class but I don't know how much he remembered!

I think you're in quite a different position emeraldfox if your child only came to England just before the sats. The grammar etc for English sats are bult up over years.

But for those who have been through the system - as you've seen by all the other posts on this thread, sats aren't really a big deal after 11+. With most getting greater depth (110+) across the board.

But for those who have been through the system - as you've seen by all the other posts on this thread, sats aren't really a big deal after 11+. With most getting greater depth (110+) across the board.

The two just don't seem particularly linked to me seeing as DS did well in 11+ with only a book and teaching himself, and he did well in CATs in year 7 too, but all under 110 in SATs.

Those who got GD in SATs, did they score very highly in year 7 CATs too? DS didn't get any GD and got scores in the 130s on CATs.

I dont know what you want people to say here. Sats tests knowledge of what they have been taught the last few years in school - English grammar etc. Your son wasn't in school here so that won't apply.

However, as you can see, for those schooled here sats are far easier than 11+. Everyone takes sats. 11+ is just for those applying to grammar/private.

There will be the odd exception to the rule- like your son - who only had a few weeks to learn what others have had a few years Learning.

And if you child is already in secondary emerald - does it matter?! Schools are used to there being differences, especially when people come from different systems. (And yes you'd expect those with gd in sats to score well in cats. )

@What3words If they aren't testing the same thing then why would a child automatically score highly on both? Wondering what went wrong with DS's SATs if he should have done better!

They are just snapshots of Yr 6/7 though and secondary teachers know that.

They can't really predict if you will be any good at French/music/sport/drama etc so it's just a crude measure.

Actual sets can be changed and over the 5 years children can move up and down sets etc. It's not set in stone from what they achieved at 11. It will depend on how hard they work as well, what subjects they enjoy, if they get on with their teacher, support at home etc - not how well they did at primary.

Emerald - nothing went wrong. He just hadn't been here in the system for more than a few weeks. Honestly stop worrying.

Parents are incentivize to prep 11+ but not SAT. On the other hand, state school teacher doesn't care 11+ but SAT. So little point to tutor at home for SAT specifically.

"It's interesting, I've been comparing CEM and SATs maths online and I personally find the CEM easier. There seem to be more questions with a story or where you have a picture in your head, not just numbers."

It find it quite opposite, both speed required and difficulty level CEM papers in general are harder. You probably found the easy CEM to compared with.

I don’t think you can generalise that if your child is GD at SAT’s they’ll pass 11+ and get into Grammar School. Whilst your child might achieve GD, there could be others far brighter than them who score higher at 11+ and secure the places meaning your child doesn’t. I’m a Y6 teacher and we say this year after year to parents, many who seem to think that their child will get a place at Grammar just because their achieving GD.

I’ve had children I teach who don’t achieve GD who secure a grammar place and ask many who do achieve GD who don’t. There’s definitely no certainty.

Yes in out area its a super selective grammar.

So gd at sats doesn't guarantee grammar entrance (grammar is a subset of the bright kids )

But conversely it's unusual for a grammar kid not to get gd in sats as far more people get gd in sats than get into grammar.

One can just look at each secondary schools prior attainment statistics (which is KS2 SAT score based). Selective grammar is significantly higher than normal comprehensive across the country.

I’ve had children I teach who don’t achieve GD who secure a grammar place and ask many who do achieve GD who don’t. There’s definitely no certainty.
I knew it couldn't just be because my child was new to the country, as wouldn't that also affect 11+ scores? Glad there are others!

DS often zoned out in class, was caught reading when he shouldn't have been, made mistakes on more easy work but loved maths competitions with problem solving and speed required. I thought that was typical for bright children that would also translate to good 11+ performance.

Most of 11+ grammar exam is speed, accuracy and detail attention type of questions, not maths competition type of questions (unless private schools)

Yes there will be other outliers but it is very unusual. By definition grammar schools cream off the highest achieving ... but I'm done here!

That's a good description of the maths competitions, though I know maths is only part of the 11+. In my experience, I think bright children just thrive on those type of questions, more so than with school work.

"That's a good description of the maths competitions"

Not really, maths competition of questions are like JMC PMC, which is more IMO like rather than arithmetic/mental calculation at speed.

Bright children will thrive on both.

Bright children will thrive on both.

DS had issues with disengagement at school due to the slow pace of class work, primary was a difficult time for him. He is definitely bright though.

Most DCs who prep superselective 11+ will find primary school slow pace of class work after the process. Just different level in general.

Yes, the SATs were a lot easier then the 11+ and I told my dd she did not have to do any of the SATs homework. They kept giving them mocks to do for homework. I think if a dc did well in the 11+ they will do well in SATs. DD got GD in all. I have not read all the other posts, but I am assuming the majority that did the 11+ would have done well in the SATs.

You mean late 11+ test in February? 1st March is the national offer day, not sure any 11+ test in March unless is some unusual private schools.

Only small portion of grammar county offer late test as this. It is clearly a rare case to me.