If your child did the 11+ did they get GD in all the SATs papers?

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I'm just curious. There seems to be an unspoken rule amongst the parents I know not to discuss SATs results which is fine by me but it means I can't ask anyone irl.
My DS didn't do 11+. Unfortunately he's the kind of child who you have to coerce and bribe into doing any work so 11+ was never going to work! A few of his friends were tutored solidly for 2yrs. Most but not all got into very good grammars, which is great for them.
But it did make me wonder about how those kids found SATs. It was painful trying to get my DS to do the practice papers (which I tired to do more for getting him into a routine with homework ready for yr7 rather than because I thinks SATs are important). He did minimal work but lucky enough to get GD in maths and reading and just missed it in the SPAG paper.
I'm assuming then for the 11+ kids SATs we're just a walk in the park?would they obviously all get GD?

No, it was late March. He got in from the waiting list in May. This was several years ago, I'm not sure why it matters?

It does matter, as PP point out earlier, for some grammar county where a third of applicants pass rate "ace" 11+, probability wise the odd is similar or even higher than achieving GD in SAT. So in those specifically situation it is possible to have some cases of getting in grammar but not GD in SAT. It is rare in the area that grammar school is highly selective and normally won't offer any late test due to competiveness.

I don't know case a few year ago, but the only late 11+ test available places available are schools in the grammar counties (doesn't necessary to have catchment some just need to move in). Scores and rank is probably less relevant if intake is more than 30%.

Admit a few extra to PAN from waitlist closer to term start is also a sign of not a high competitive 11+ place.

I still don't understand how did it rank late test applicant scores with the main exam cohort.

Regardless how you justify this was a very unusual case: a few years ago, off cycle grammar 11+ late test in March, waitlist in May, admmision over PAN. As unusual as you try to justify SAT result has little correlation to actual 11+ exam, I believe it maybe for some isolated case but definitely not the common theme.

February is still a late 11+ applicantion entry time only handful of grammar school in this country offer this. I guess you probably meant the ranking position including the waitlist (the time line is way after national offer day) ? There is no official definition of superselective. I (and other PP) keep trying to say it is a very unusual case for your DS that is it.

Think the private schools entrance exams are March ? After the 11+ scores are out and allocations made ?

All the private schools I know of have their exams in either November or January. Why would they want to wait until pupils have had the chance to get a free 11+ place before taking their exams? Usually offers are made and must be accepted (and deposits paid) before the state places are allocated, to try to get people to commit to them rather than hold out for a state place!

My daughter passed 11+ very comfortably (not super selective area) and got 117+ in all the sats and GD for writing. She's in a tiny village school with a mixed age and ability class so the pressure was not at all on for sats which was a relief frankly.

The 11+ in our area is VR and NVR only so completely different to the context covered in the sats. My daughter said 11+ was harder due to time pressure but she only decided late to take the 11+ test in May so didn't do lots of tutoring, just CGP books at home.

DS2 just started at a Grammar. He got GD for everything but the English Spag papers (can't remember what it's called - he got GD on the English reading/comprehension part though).

He was only one mark off GD and it was entirely down to the Spelling paper. He was absolutely fine in the 11+ as he was able to spot the spelling errors on the papers just fine, he just struggles when he actually has to spell things correctly himself. Most of the time his initial instinct is correct, but then he second guesses himself and "corrects" the word incorrectly.

My eldest son was the same, got almost identical Sats results and attends the same Grammar. He never had any spelling issues after Y7 as they were fantastic at helping him with it. I'm hoping the same will be the case for DS2.

Why does he have a ridiculous flight path to GCSE?

Because of his sats results. Learning isn't a linear process. Life happens in between.

Sorry you mean cause hai results were high he’s then going to struggle. ?

Kids with high results get given higher targets (in all subjects not just English and maths) than those who get low results. This posters child is predicted to do very well based on his SATs results. If he only does ok he isn’t meeting his targets. Another child who gets the same scores as him now will be seen as on targets if their SATs were much lower.

Sats are easy compared to 11 plus (whether for grammar or selective independent). We tutored for 11 plus but did nothing for sats. My 3 all got GD across the board for sats - the standard is not very high.

My son got 118 and 111 ( max 120). He did not take 11+ because the grammar around are boys only. And I think that kids are pushing most of those schools up and the teaching is mediocre

Jeez talk about tone deaf!

In our area 11+ is verbal and nonverbal reasoning, so testing sonething completely different to SATs

Tutoring isn’t about cramming so they get in but teaching them the work that isn’t covered in primary school and exam technique.

As a Year 6 teacher I’ll say this is utter rubbish. SATS standard is very high and tests a wide range of Maths/English topics. 11+ is a totally different ball game where children are tutored to pass a test in verbal/nonverbal reasoning, not core subjects. The 2 tests are not comparable in any way IMO.

11+ in different areas is different and all independent schools are different. In the area i worked in most 11+ exams for grammar or independent included VR and NVR, AND maths and English. Independent schools were generally not that picky but the ones who passed to get in to state grammar were your GD ones on SATs. It would be very unusual for a child to ace a VR and NVR test and be awful at maths and English. In general the standard for 11+ pass is much harder than 100 on SATS.

Come on, if a child is preparing to 11+ is also learning maths. Yes it is different test, Totally different but there are some aspects similar e.g reading comprehension, writing, general maths knowledge. And the fact that SATs does not include many parts doesn't mean that learning to 11+ they also prepare to SATs in terms of general knowledge

Our 11+ exam is English, maths and creative writing and supposed to be based on the national curriculum. They've done away with NVR/VR as they think this will level the playing field for those who can't afford tutoring.

We have used the Y6 SATs as practice papers and have found most of them a bit 'too easy' for 11+ prep so I would imagine, unless they have a bad day, most dcs that succeed in the 11+ would also achieve GD in SATS.