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Is this a normal thing to happen in Reception? (disruptive boy given extra attention) long-ish post

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imaginaryfriend · 09/02/2008 21:49

I'm going to try to get this in a nutshell but it's quite complicated.

Dd's in Reception with a little boy, I'll call him 'Z' just to make things briefer. Z is a reasonably high achieving boy, he's in the 'top' group at the moment along with dd and 4 other girls, all at roughly the same level (I do parent reading with them once a week so I'm fairly confident about this). Z is an extremely disruptive boy despite being very bright, he's taken up to the Headmaster many times, sent into the 'buddy room', up and down the behaviour ladder. He does some pretty unpleasant things like telling the Muslim girl in the same group that all Muslims are going to go to Hell, telling a physically disabled boy that his built up shoes look 'stupid' and that because he's in a wheelchair he's going to die early. The list is as long as my arm. Dd's always coming home with new tales and Z's frequently the topic of upset for many of the mums whose kids have been physically hurt by him.

So he's a difficult character. The teacher has been giving him one-on-one time for 30 minutes after lunch to 'extend' his literacy and numeracy, a luxury that none of the other children get. Dd, for instance, has had one-on-one reading time with the teacher only once since starting in September when her parent reader was off sick. Z's mum says this is because his behaviour is so bad because he's not challenged enough and he 'plays tricks on people' when he's bored. She believes he's extremely gifted and the school isn't meeting the challenge of his intellect. She has frequent meetings with the teacher to discuss what they can do to give him more yet so far I don't see any change in his behaviour at all.

I, and a number of other mums, are beginning to feel a bit miffed that he gets so much attention when his behaviour is so appalling and that our own children get so little in comparison and I wondered if the teacher's decision to give him this extra tuition was a typical move with a disruptive but bright child. And if so, is it known to work?

I've been wondering whether to see the headmaster about the situation, especially given that dd's parent reader has been away for the last 2 weeks so dd hasn't read to anybody at all for 3 weeks now apart from the group guided reading sessions she does once a week. It seems unfair that the teacher can find 30 minutes once a day for one child and leave others with no time at all for weeks on end.

From what I can gather this is the teacher's first class as she's only just qualified as a teacher.

What would you do? Grin and bear it or go and speak to someone?

Z's mum is very 'pushy', she turns a blind eye to his behaviour problems and is genuinely convinced that it's the school's fault for not keeping him challenged. She said to me the other day that she 'doesn't rate' the teacher. I mentioned that she's getting quite a good deal, especially when there are some children who barely speak English (I listen to the lowest achieving group read and I really feel they could do with the teacher's direction rather than my completely unqualified one) who get no time with the teacher.

It seems to me to be a rather sad condition of our times that the worst behaved child gets the best and the quieter ones who are just getting on with school and doing their best are penalised.

Help me put this in perspective? I've made an appointment to see the teacher next Wednesday and I'd like to go in and say everything in a fair but clear way.

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Heated · 11/02/2008 20:40

Critterjitter - no idea!

Our most 'interesting' students tend to have this background - and they can be at either end of the behaviour range - eccentrically clever/weeping jellies or feral! I look at my los with concern thinking what are we going to turn you into?! Philip Larkin had it so right

imaginaryfriend · 11/02/2008 21:00

Miggsie, your post made me laugh. Nope, no meekness there!

stuffit I don't think the teacher will say 'she seems so happy' as at parent evenings she always tells me that dd is very reserved and doesn't really 'join in' much. Dd is quite an anxious child and if she can avoid confrontation she will even to her own detriment at times. I'd like the teacher to be aware of that and to encourage her to come out of her shell.

I think Z's mum thinks that if he gets more stimulation his behaviour will improve. But he can't be getting one-on-one attention all day so I think they need to work on getting him to do things by himself / with other children without it turning pear-shaped.

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dippydeedoo · 11/02/2008 21:15

HEATED.....lolol @ Can I just add that the pupils who cause us most problems are those who have religious parents or who are the children of teachers!!

it did make me laugh because it is quite true im a nursery nurse hving experienced a lot of time in schools and im a catholic.....and we recently had cause to question the religion gcse class our eldest is in and i was almost frantic saying how can this group fail r.e at a catholic school? mr dipps was laffin saying i was like katherine tate .....i think its always the way tho my friend is a hairdresser and shes hyper critical of other haircuts ....

purplejennyrose · 11/02/2008 21:44

Wow this thread has raced on..
Great posts Peachy.
Heated - oh dear, that's our dd completely doomed then!!(religious / teacher parents)
IF - hope you do get a resolution of the situation somehow.

imaginaryfriend · 11/02/2008 21:57

Thanks everyone, and for lightening the tone.

Here's my plan for Wednesday:

  1. Try to get dd out of the way with a friend so I can speak frankly to the teacher.
  1. Tell the teacher I've been very disappointed with the amount of times dd's gone 2 weeks+ without changing her reading book / being heard to read.
  1. And that the above is making her feel very demotivated with her reading.
  1. Ask for advice on how to push her reading forward myself at home if there aren't resources for it at school [this might be a dodgy thing to say, I dunno, it's a bit of a dig at the fact everyone knows she has time to spend with Z. I can leave this out. it might be an example of my 'resentment'?]
  1. Ask the teacher to 'notice' her a bit more. She may be quiet and industrious but she does need a teeny bit of praise and attention.

Looking over that I'm not that pleased with it, it all seems wishy washy. I may keep that as a 'loose' structure and play it by ear.

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stuffitall · 11/02/2008 22:15

All looks great! especially 5.

And spend time being quiet and letting her talk and come to the conclusions you want her to.

I've been really pushy with my advice, probably too pushy, and just want to say that I'm sure you'll do it the right way, whichever is right for you.

TotalChaos · 11/02/2008 22:17

Hope the meeting goes well tomorrow. I would emphasise 3 rather than 2 - i.e. give the teacher a chance to give her opinion as to what's going on, as she might clam up if you start off by saying you feel the teacher did something specificly wrong iyswim.

imaginaryfriend · 11/02/2008 22:37

But how can I say 3 without mentioning 2?

Stuffit, you've been great. Thanks.

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TotalChaos · 11/02/2008 22:41

The way I was envisageing was that conversation would go along the lines of - the "core" problem is that your DD is unhappy/unmotivated at school, why do you think that could be Mrs. Teacher/have you noticed anything Mrs. Teacher, Mrs. Teacher responds, and then you slip in - oh and I've noticed she's not had her book changed in x weeks, is that usual/is everything OK with her reading. So you don't look like your accusing Mrs. Teacher iyswim.

imaginaryfriend · 11/02/2008 22:46

Ok, I geddit. Empower the teacher, right?

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Bubble99 · 11/02/2008 22:52

IF. Especially if she's an NQT. She may be feeling a bit wobbly.

Heated · 11/02/2008 22:59

Excellent advice from TotalChaos & the way to get her on side & positive about your little girl.

Christywhisty · 11/02/2008 23:13

I've just read 44 Scotland Street and was thinking of Bertie while I was reading this!

imaginaryfriend · 11/02/2008 23:43

Ok, I'll do my best.

I guess I should read about Bertie then?

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nappyaddict · 12/02/2008 01:56

only read the op but how do you know he's getting extra reading and maths lessons? could it be he is actually getting help with something else - like any social/behavioural problems he might have? he could have an IEP. they are confidential so not something you might know about. his mum sounds to me like she might be putting on a brave face and saying he is getting extra time cos he is a genius cos she doesn't want to admit he has something "wrong" with him.

Hallgerda · 12/02/2008 09:17

You look well set up for the parents evening, imaginaryfriend .

If you don't get anywhere talking to the teacher, it may be worth escalating the matter to the Head. If your school has Children's Centre/after school care related building works going on, the senior management team may be a little distracted from day-to-day supervision and mentoring of NQTs, and may need a little nudge back on track.

On the other approach, could you interest Z's mum in this school? It occurs to me that it might well have sufficient appeal to overcome her commitment to improving your school by keeping her wonderful child there...

bozza · 12/02/2008 10:49

Just read all of this epic. And I wanted to say good luck with your meeting. I think you could mention things like the fact that your DD feels her efforts are not recognised. And definitely do your best to get a friend to have her for 1/2 hour or so otherwise both you and the teacher will probably be holding back on what you say.

imaginaryfriend · 12/02/2008 11:11

nappyaddict, the whole thread covers those points you raised and I can't face going through it all again. Sorry.

Hallgerda, I'm sure there are many schools he could help to reform!

bozza, I know. I have one friend who might be able to watch dd for me for half an hour after school but she's getting back to me on it. I really don't want dd there as I would have to hold back in case I make her feel even more insecure.

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oops · 12/02/2008 13:57

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imaginaryfriend · 13/02/2008 11:00

Thanks for the coaching everyone. I've got my meeting this afternoon and got my friend to keep an eye on dd so I can go in solo. I'll report back later!

... I feel strangely nervous. As though I've done something wrong.

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LadyMuck · 13/02/2008 11:03

Don't be daft. You have an issue with how your dd is doing, and whether she is getting overlooked, and you are raising in an adult manner with the teacher. You're doing the right thing!

I have to say, that whilst I understand all the reasons as to why you won't mention Z, I almost wish you would, as I would love to know the reality behind the 30 minutes maths tuition. But I suspect even if you asked she couldn't tell you.

Good luck!

hippipotami · 13/02/2008 17:23

How did you get on IF?

Quattrocento · 13/02/2008 19:01

Update please IF!

stuffitllama · 13/02/2008 19:16

Hope it went well, will check in later !

imaginaryfriend · 13/02/2008 21:47

It went very well actually, better than I'd hoped.

I started off by asking the teacher's advice on spelling. That led into a discussion about how dd's doing at the moment and the teacher said she's producing excellent work, above what's expected for this age group, but that she has some self esteem problems!!! 'really?' I asked. And she told me about a couple of instances when dd's 'frozen' as she put it because she thinks she's going to get something wrong / get in trouble. I asked her what she thought might be causing that and she said, voluntarily, 'there are some very forceful characters in this classroom and it's often hard to keep check on the quieter children'. I was barely saying a word at this point. I mentioned then that I'd been really disappointed with the lack of opportunity dd has had to read to the teacher since starting Reception and she reassured me that although that's true, she does hear dd during guided reading and also that she pulls them out individually now and then to do spelling exercises etc. She said dd was way ahead with her reading and I leapt in and said 'so does the school have any facility for providing extra support for children who are moving more quickly in certain areas' and she said it does but she was concerned about doing it on a one-to-one basis as she'd been doing it with a pupil and it wasn't really working out. I said 'is that Z?' and she said yes, he was ahead of the whole class in numeracy so to support his needs she'd been doing individual work with him while the other kids are having their numeracy session on the carpet. But she felt this arrangement was making some of the children feel left out and that Z had kind of scuppered it for himself by telling everyone he was the 'cleverest boy in the school' (!?) and getting everyone's backs up. She said she had a plan for after half term to get the TA to take 3 or 4 children out to do more advanced work in literacy once or twice a week during carpet time and she said dd would be included in that group.

That was about it really. So it seems she was aware of dd's lack of motivation although she didn't fully address the issue of time management. And the Z half hour seems to have been something of an experiment.

What do you think guys?

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